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Look at you! Handsome devil!

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Howard Stern -
Interview with Bruce Springsteen

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I called him.

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Yes, I have sound now.

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- I'm done. It's pretty good.
- Sounds good.

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Sounds great. One, two!

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- It's good here. To you?
- Is it good?

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Yes, we are fine. Yes, great!

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Bruce Springsteen is inches away
by me and i'm...

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You know what? I'm stunned.

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I really am. It's crazy.

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I met many people,
but you are too much

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Bruce, why is this funny?

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I don't know, I find it funny.
Happy Halloween, that's all I have to say.

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Happy Halloween! You hate Halloween
or do you love Halloween? I...

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I love Halloween!

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- Really? I can't stand him.
- We...

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I was doing something
when I lived in Rumson.

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I mean... I had a crazy court.

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We invite the whole city,
thousands of people came for Halloween.

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We had a whole set.

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- It was crazy.
- When you were famous

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and you were Bruce Springsteen,
did you do this at home

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- Yes.
- And how come it didn't happen

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one thing everyone knows about?

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- It became
- And the problems begin, right?

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- That's right.
- That's right, isn't it?

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That's why we don't do it now.

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- Yes.
- You know, I did...

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I did it for a while, then one evening
I think 4,000 people came.

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I went out, I looked at the street,
in front of the house

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and it was crazy.

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Parents were running with their children on the street,

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and I was thinking:
"Someone's going to die here."

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I stopped doing that
about ten years ago.

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- But I was doing it.
- It could have been a new Altamont.

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- Exactly. Yes.
- It seems crazy.

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The End of Innocence in Rumson, New Jersey.

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Bruce, we have so many questions,
so i'll get to the point.

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This morning we were thinking that

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you've won countless Grammys.

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Which, by the way, is important to you

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or you don't care much
of winning an award?

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If you want prizes, it's nice to win.

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- That's right.
- That's my opinion.

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But I don't put much effort.

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Because you've done so much, I'd say
that the Grammys are almost useless.

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It depends.
I didn't win for best album.

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I say, "I made some good albums,
but never..."

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<i>Around the time of Born to Run
and Darkness on the Edge of Town,</i>

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I was saying to myself: "You are too far to the left
for the Grammys."

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They did not receive the award
Album of the Year.

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- Yes.
- And then...

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Maybe I missed the opportunity.

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But that's the only prize
which I sometimes think about.

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I never won Album of the Year.

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But we collect the distinctions.

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You've sold 150 million albums,

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but the distinctions are those albums,

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and the record company gives you
a large platinum disc.

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- Yes, I have...
- You have the Grammys.

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- I have a whole garage.
- That's the point.

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We're trying to figure out what he's doing
Bruce Springsteen with these awards.

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Do you have a room in the house?

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If I walked into your house,
would i see a lot...?

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I was giving them to my mother.

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He lived in California and kept them in his garage.

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- Yes. So...
- It doesn't mean anything.

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But he really liked them.

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I had a lot of stuff.

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Now I'm in a warehouse, to be honest.

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I have nothing around the house.

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Were you the type to keep...?

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If you wrote a song on...
I don't know how you do it.

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- Yes.
- When you write a song,

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- ...do you write it on paper...?
- Yes.

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- Did you keep all of these?
- Yes.

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- Am I in a warehouse?
- Yes.

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So everything you've had all along,

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a guitar instead of throwing it away
you put it in a warehouse.

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- If it was...
- Anything.

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First, we collect things.

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We have clothes from 1980, me and Patti.

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But everything I wrote,

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in an ordinary notebook,
since 1975, I have, you know?

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What is the plan for these things?

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Would you donate them, or are there...?

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What is the purpose?
Have you ever wondered that?

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If you are interested in some kind of...

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Many pages of scribbles

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<i>then a piece of Born to Run
and again the scribbles</i>

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That's what notebooks are full of.

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But if anyone is so interested,
it will be...

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It will be an archive center where...

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at Monmouth College,

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where people will be able to walk
and look at them.

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It's more or less interesting
for others but me.

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I don't look at them.

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I'm looking at you now

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and i know how old you are but you look fabulous.

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- You don't have any surgery?
- Thank you.

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Not? Not. Sometimes we meet people of

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our age and looks like
would be in for a shock.

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- Yes.
- Yes.

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That's why I don't trust...
You can end up looking weird.

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When you appear on TV,
are you looking at that stuff?

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- Are you vain?
- Yes.

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- Really?
- Yes.

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And you say to yourself, "God, I'm getting old,
one, another."

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But you are in very good shape,
i would say

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I don't worry about getting old
because we're going to... We all get old.

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But you say to yourself, "I look good."

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And what are you doing?

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I assume you take Metamucil, like me.

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Do you like Metamucil?

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- I don't know what to...
- No? He's the best.

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But what exactly do you do?
to keep this look?

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Let me think!

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I played sports for a long time.

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I started when I was around 30 years old.

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I still do this
but not as much as before.

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When you get old, you don't have to.

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- Yes.
- You know how it is.

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Other than that, I don't eat junk food.

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I used to eat, but I stopped for 30 years.

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- To do the shows you do.
- Yes.

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Because, it is known, you endure a lot.

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- Yes.
- You are on stage for a few hours.

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And I'm curious.

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You talked to your psychologist about the reason
why are you doing such long shows?

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- Of course.
- Did you speak?

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And what is the conclusion? I have a con...

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I think I know why you do this

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- ...it's deep.
- I'll pay you instead.

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Yes. But why? Why?

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Because I'm somebody, when I do
a show, I can't take a break.

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I don't want to take a commercial break.

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I work more hours than the contract.

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But I know why I do it and it's like a disease.

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But I wonder if you have arrived
so far

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Of course yes. It's about the disease.

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- Isn't that right?
- Of course. It's kind of...

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You know, at one point, I mean, partially...

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Part of it is your work ethic.

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We were doing five shows a night.
I sang five hours a night.

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- Yes.
- Now we sing...

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if i sang two people would be
disappointed. You need at least three.

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- Yes.
- So...

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But I ran into a...

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My problem was, I was singing for three hours
and then something was wrong

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to one of the songs
towards the end of the show

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and I was killing myself for the rest of the evening.

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I was struggling terribly, you know?

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I was getting on the bus,
on the way to the next town.

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And I was just thinking: I should have...

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That should have happened. And...

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I wanted to control this because

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I didn't want to do this in my old age.
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I was asked, "How can you sing so much?"
I said:

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"My problem is to stop.

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I don't mind starting and singing."

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- Yes.
- The problem is to stop.

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Because...

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I mean, you know, how do I start. But I was...

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It was a purification ritual for me.

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What do you mean?

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I grew up a Catholic.

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So, you grow up with many sins
and with original sin.

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Life and rituals are everything
purification rituals,

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cleansing of the soul and mind.

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And a certain amount of it
it's good for you, you know?

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If you take it to the extreme, it's like anything else.

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Become your master.

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As for my work,

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I wanted my work
let it be my work and my pleasure.

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I didn't want him to be my master.

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When we talked about work
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I asked myself:
"How do I balance the balance?"

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Because I would make better shows
if I didn't live with the idea that,

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if i don't sing this...

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35th song, I'm going to…

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You know, but it was... it was very...

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That's what it was about. I had to
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in which I was raised.

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And of course I converted that

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in my music and the way I sang.

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Much of what I did...

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Many of the rituals I created
they were for purification.

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And sometimes we exaggerate.

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Bruce how bad it had gotten
after the show?

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You have become depressed and say:
"I ruined Badlands,

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- ...and now I'm going to..."
- Oh, yes!

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"I'm terrible, I'm a mess."

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Even at your level,
you are master level.

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It can't be better than at your level
of music and composition.

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Still, you were going home after a show,

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you would go back to the hotel and stay there
and what were you doing?

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Do you drink to forget?

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How do you relax after a show?
when do you feel like a loser?

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Yes.

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I was living with it
until the next show.

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And then we went on stage
twice as determined

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and twice as crazy.

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You were telling the band that...

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- That you think it's a disaster?
- No.

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Not. You kept it inside.

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Yes. There was no point in dragging them there.

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They already had the burden
to follow me in the shows...

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two and a half hours,
three and a half and four hours, so...

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Because I interviewed Jimmy Iovine
and was talking about you in the beginning,

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when you register.

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He said, not an exact quote:
"I brought him an album

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and threw him into the pool,
it wasn't good enough."

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Or you had them sing for ten hours

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and record the same song over and over.

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It's almost obsessive-compulsive, right?

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Not close. It was, yes.

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Do you have obsessive-compulsive rituals?

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Are you that anxious?

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I did a good job
concentrating on my work.

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Even when I was young

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I felt like I could channel
some of these

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negative characteristics

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in something that something positive will come out of.

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That was usually my job.

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I was a perfectionist and all that
from above.

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A lot of it was...

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Many good things have come from it.

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The band is among the strongest in the world.

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Our show
it's still among the best.

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When you are...

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When you're in the tenth hour of writing something,

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pass in the 12th hour,
the 15th so that it turns out well for me.

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May the lyrics and music come out well.

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I do the same with the show.

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I get off the stage at night,
I go back to the hotel

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I take the notebook and write down

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what could i do better tomorrow night
That's how I am.

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I don't regret anything. It's just hard work.

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And that's what people pay you for.
I do not mind.

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It's just that...

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I was worrying too much
after something bad happens.

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I went to your Broadway show
a few times

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and it was phenomenal.

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00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,399
- I liked it.
- Thank you.

246
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,759
But there's something I don't understand.

247
00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:49,559
I understand you had...
Describe this in the show,

248
00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:51,799
you had a guitar when you were little

249
00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:55,440
You rented a guitar, you saw him
Elvis, then you threw it away,

250
00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,679
because you couldn't be
as good as Elvis immediately.

251
00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,039
When did you get serious about music?

252
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,759
Not even in your book

253
00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,840
you don't say when you had ten thousand hours

254
00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,879
of guitar and piano rehearsals.

255
00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,080
It's like it just happened.

256
00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:20,600
I started in earnest in 1964,
with the British invasion.

257
00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,339
That re-inspired me

258
00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:23,840
- ...let me try again.
- At what age?

259
00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:25,840
- I was 14 years old.
- Okay.

260
00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:29,759
The moment I bought...

261
00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,559
I painted a woman's house and...

262
00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:35,759
In the summer, I poured tar on the roof

263
00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,399
and they only made enough money to buy me
cheapest guitar in town,

264
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,480
from a shop called Western Auto.

265
00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:48,000
They were selling auto parts
and some musical instruments.

266
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,440
I bought the cheapest guitar
and I came home.

267
00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:55,240
I struggled until I succeeded
to play some chords

268
00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,759
Who taught you? Nobody?

269
00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,039
- You went to your room.
- Cousin Frankie showed me

270
00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,679
the first chords.

271
00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:06,120
How to tune guitar and primes
agreements. My cousin, Frankie Bruno.

272
00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,440
And you didn't get overwhelmed by…
This is an insurmountable task.

273
00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:14,120
To master an instrument
and become a composer like you.

274
00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,279
You don't think like that.

275
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,639
You just think:
maybe i could learn some chords.

276
00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,919
- Yes.
- But then you must have told yourself

277
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,799
at a given time:
"Let me sing everything the Beatles sing,

278
00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:26,919
let me repeat endlessly."

279
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,240
- Because you don't have your own songs.
- No.

280
00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,919
The secret to becoming
he is a great composer

281
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,399
to first learn how the masters sang
before you Correct?

282
00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,320
That's what we did too. Basically, I have…

283
00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:45,679
You took a 45 rpm disc,
you reduced the speed to 33.

284
00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:51,600
You could hear the guitar note by note,

285
00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:53,679
slow note over slow note.

286
00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:56,960
That's how you learn a lot of guitar solos

287
00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:59,519
and some chord changes from the song.

288
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,519
And you'd put it back to 45 and play with it.

289
00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:06,360
I have done this with thousands of discs.

290
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,200
- Thousands of records over the years.
- Young Bruce Springsteen.

291
00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,559
Now I see you as a guy...
you might have been a great athlete.

292
00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:15,840
No, you spent your childhood,

293
00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:19,159
and it was a lonely childhood,
in a way...

294
00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,120
Bobby Fischer was a great chess player,

295
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,559
but he had a childhood
incredibly isolated.

296
00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,559
- Yes.
- Because he had to study.

297
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120
You had to focus too. It wasn't...

298
00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,399
There was only one goal,
to master the guitar and the piano.

299
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,399
Yes. My aunt had a piano.

300
00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,000
When you enter her house,

301
00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,600
it was a small hall
and there was an old piano that...

302
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,559
When I visited my grandmother on Sundays,

303
00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:54,879
my Italian grandmother lived upstairs
and my mother used to take me to visit her.

304
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,879
But there was a piano in the hall and we were going down

305
00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,919
when my mother was visiting and we started
to sing chords

306
00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,559
My aunt heard me sing and said:
"Come here."

307
00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,399
He took me inside and gave me the key
from her house.

308
00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,320
He said to me: "When you want to play the piano,
use this key

309
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,799
Whether someone is here or not."

310
00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,600
After school, I would take the key and go...

311
00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:21,240
I was going to my aunt's house,
I was sitting in the hall

312
00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,799
and transfer to the piano
what I was learning on the guitar.

313
00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:27,840
That's how I taught myself to play the piano.

314
00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,559
Do you consider yourself a scientist?

315
00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:31,840
- No.
- Really?

316
00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:36,360
It seems to me that you must have
a certain genius to teach yourself.

317
00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,039
I wish everyone could hear you.

318
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,879
You checked the sound of the piano,
work on it.

319
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,120
I loved it like crazy.
I got chills.

320
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,120
There's something about those chords.

321
00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,080
And I think...
didn't the guy take any lessons?

322
00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:52,440
I'm Italian from the south.

323
00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:54,440
- Yes.
- Southern Italians are musicians.

324
00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:56,000
It's Naples.

325
00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:02,639
I'm from a small town
Vico Equense, from southern Italy.

326
00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,720
I am a third generation American
from the Italian side.

327
00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,680
- Yes.
- My grandfather came from Italy,

328
00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:14,599
so is grandma.

329
00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,079
My mother was first generation Italian
born here.

330
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,799
- It means that I am the second.
- Yes.

331
00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,480
So there are many
innate musical abilities,

332
00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:30,559
for one reason or another,
to the southern Italians.

333
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,960
So I have… I…

334
00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:36,839
I had an ability in me,

335
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,400
which I didn't know about until I started
to sing And I...

336
00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,920
You know, I progressed pretty quickly.

337
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,920
Before the first year is over
I was in a band and I was singing...

338
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,759
- It's incredible.
- I was playing the guitar

339
00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:52,359
in a small town band and...

340
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,519
And I became obsessed with it.

341
00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,319
I'm sure that
just like anything else,

342
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,279
all free time
I spent it with the guitar.

343
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,799
learning from records
and forming a small band.

344
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,880
It was my life, it was everything.

345
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,799
And further, that constitutes
a large part of my day.

346
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,279
Your father was happy
that you are a musical genius?

347
00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,359
- I don't think so, at first.
- Yes.

348
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,680
You know, he... They...

349
00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:30,680
What are your chances of success?

350
00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:32,480
They are very small.

351
00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,640
I was sitting on stage one evening
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

352
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,720
with Mick Jagger on the right,
with George Harrison at left.

353
00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:41,920
And I said, "Okay."

354
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,279
Millions of children have learned
to play guitar in 1964.

355
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,960
- Millions.
- Yes.

356
00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:52,079
A few learned to sing a little.

357
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,359
Some of them have arrived
in a local band.

358
00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,000
Some of them entered a studio
of records

359
00:19:01,079 --> 00:19:03,200
and they did a demo or…

360
00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:06,759
Maybe they released something,

361
00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:08,519
they released an album.

362
00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,279
Some of them released an album.

363
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,279
Some of them had a hit album.

364
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,640
Others had careers that lasted
more than four or five years.

365
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,880
So the number starts to decrease

366
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,160
and I realized that,

367
00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:27,960
through good and bad, I was the one who

368
00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:32,759
hit the stage that night.

369
00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,359
It was shocking to me,
like everyone else.

370
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,400
I can look back and know
that I invested all the time and all the effort.

371
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,519
But there is an enormous amount
of natural talent and luck and no…

372
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,119
I never take it for granted.

373
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,480
when you were young
you were aware of your worth

374
00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,400
when you started
compose your own music?

375
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,400
Conscious in the sense that you were thinking:

376
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,119
"Wait, what I'm writing is stupid?"

377
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,839
Or is it something people would respond to?

378
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,599
Because you risk it.

379
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960
People might laugh at that.

380
00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,440
You could end up either formation
1910 Fruitgum Company,

381
00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:08,079
- ...either Bruce Springsteen.
- Yes.

382
00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,440
It happened to me. I wrote songs
and I was like, "That's terrible."

383
00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:14,240
That's it. And...

384
00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:16,640
How do you know it's terrible?

385
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,759
When you write "Rosalita",
you know it's a great song

386
00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,960
You know that's a great song?

387
00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:23,359
- Or...?
- I knew.

388
00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:30,279
I knew it was a great chorus.

389
00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,079
And I knew that the band
something like that will sing great.

390
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,119
I knew I had a good pace. And then...

391
00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,920
Where were you when you wrote this?

392
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,119
I think I wrote this song in a...

393
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,519
I lived in a factory
of surfboards in...

394
00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:50,000
It seems crazy.

395
00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:55,519
I lived in a surfboard factory
in Ocean Township.

396
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,680
I composed many of those arrangements
long, with changes

397
00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:06,920
very elaborate, which brought us to the top.

398
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,240
"Rosalita", we had a song
called "Thundercrack".

399
00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,519
I had... Just... "Kitty's Back".

400
00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:17,240
All the songs had many changes
of complicated chords and…

401
00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,119
But they were interesting when you played them live.

402
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,000
I remember when they came to me
these ideas.

403
00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:24,960
- At the beginning of my career.
- You saved my life many times.

404
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,920
I was working at a small radio station, WRNW,
from Westchester.

405
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,880
I put on "Rosalita" when I wanted a break
to go bring the news.

406
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,599
Because I was like, "Here's a long song."

407
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,079
And we could put whatever we wanted.
I used to play "Rosalita", repeatedly.

408
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,400
- Sounds great.
- Damn, that was great!

409
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,279
You know what I like about "Rosalita"?

410
00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,960
It's a song that suits my taste.

411
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,359
From what I've read about him,
from what I deduced

412
00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,160
it's about a girl you went out with.

413
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,000
- Her mother treated you horribly.
- Yes.

414
00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:56,920
He said, "Hey, long-haired freak,

415
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,880
you are not good enough for my daughter
you won't earn enough..."

416
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,279
- Basically: "Go to hell!"
- Exactly.

417
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,799
Yes. But what is the process?

418
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,960
I mean, for starters, you have an idea, I guess.

419
00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,200
I don't know. Do you have the chords first?

420
00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,160
Not. What I did was...

421
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,279
It happened when I was 15 years old.

422
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,039
I had a crush on a girl in high school.

423
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,319
But her mother couldn't stand me.

424
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,519
- It's a typical story, but...
- Yes.

425
00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:34,759
And he wanted to get a restraining order
against me

426
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,319
to never see his daughter again.
That's how bad it was.

427
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,400
A restraining order.
He thought you were dangerous.

428
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,640
That's right. And I was the best-mannered kid

429
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,119
from Freehold High School.

430
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,079
But... So I...

431
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,839
One evening I sat down and said:
"All right."

432
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,519
<i>Free yourself, Rosie!
Doctor, come cut mother</i>'s strings

433
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,839
"Doctor, come cut
mother's reins."

434
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,279
<i>You know, to play cacialma
It's like child's play</i>

435
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,039
Get your hands on the dynamite

436
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,119
I take the gun

437
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,799
We're going out together tonight

438
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000
And we're going to run on the highway

439
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,799
<i>You don't have to call me lieutenant
Rosie, and I don't want to be your</i>son

440
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,640
<i>The only thing I'll ever need
It's your soft and sweet little girl</i>'s tongue

441
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,759
You are the chosen one

442
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,880
I transformed everything
as a joke.

443
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,799
Bruce, the poem in this...
I think you were a very cultured child.

444
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,680
I think you read a lot of poetry or...

445
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,599
Those lyrics are not...

446
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:59,000
like: "I have butterflies in my stomach."
This is poetry.

447
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:02,240
It's Bob Dylan stuff.

448
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,359
But how were you...? Were you a good student?

449
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,640
No, no.

450
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:14,599
You know, I was a Top 40 creation
from the radio.

451
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,960
Cousin Brucie?

452
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,480
A creation of Top 40 radio.

453
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:23,599
Because when it launched
the FM radio, I was already singing

454
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,480
and I was quite accomplished
around 17 or 18 years old.

455
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,799
That was around '67 or '68.

456
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,319
So I'm very…

457
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,319
If a song was on the radio, in the Top 40,
I was listening to him and enjoying him.

458
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,519
And I hadn't heard of Bob Dylan
until I listen to "Like a Rolling Stone".

459
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:45,759
I wasn't a fan of folk music
and I didn't like it at all.

460
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,519
I was obsessed with Top 40.

461
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:50,640
And when something hit the Top 40, I was into it

462
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,920
conscious in Freehold, New Jersey,
and I was just soaking it up.

463
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,960
And I liked many different things.
I liked Dylan…

464
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,759
What are you doing at the Kennedy Center Awards?

465
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,240
I think it's one of the best
Bob Dylan covers.

466
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,480
I find Bob Dylan kind of boring.

467
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,319
When you sang it, it was powerful.

468
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,440
I think the Obamas were there.

469
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:16,119
Was Bill Clinton President or Obama?

470
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,960
You were at the ceremony
from the Kennedy Center.

471
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:20,039
Yes. I sang
"The Times They Are A-Changin."

472
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,640
- Do you know?
- How cool it was!

473
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,759
Yes. It was...

474
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,319
It's the song that Bob asked for,
that's why I did it.

475
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,319
He called you and said:
"Will you do me this honor?"

476
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,759
- Yes, he did. So...
- Not too much pressure!

477
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,799
I wanted to do good work for him,
because I owe him a lot and...

478
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,759
Why do you owe him so much?

479
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,920
If you want to talk about lyrics,

480
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,559
he was the base from which it started
a large part of

481
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,519
if you want to call it that, the poetic side
of my texts.

482
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,160
<i>Gather, people
Wherever you</i>roam

483
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,000
<i>Recognize that waters
They grew up around you

484
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,680
<i>You accept that soon
You will be drenched to the skin</i>

485
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,319
If time for you is worth saving

486
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:19,200
<i>Then start swimming or else
You will sink like boulders</i>

487
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:24,519
Because times are changing

488
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,079
I grew up with it.

489
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960
And I thought about how he was…

490
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,200
An abstraction
which he addressed in verse,

491
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,400
and I brought it into pop and rock music

492
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,480
and adopted it in my writing style,
on the first albums.

493
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,000
My first album...

494
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:54,200
"Blinded by the Light",
it was in the style of Bob Dylan.

495
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:57,519
- Yes, "Blinded by the Light".
- Yes.

496
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440
when you wrote this

497
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,359
must have been weird...

498
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,119
Didn't you feel pressured to put out a hit?

499
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,880
Yes. What happened was
that I made an album and handed it over,

500
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,519
and Clive Davis said: "It can't be put
nothing on the radio on this disc."

501
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,160
And I said, "I want to be on the radio."
I knew that.

502
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,319
I went home and I think
that I went to the beach.

503
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,440
I lived in Loch Arbour,

504
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,680
a town near Asbury Park.

505
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,359
I was surfing at Loch Arbor beach.

506
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,680
So I went one afternoon,

507
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,240
I took my notebook and wrote
"Spirit in the Night"

508
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,359
and then "Blinded by the Light".

509
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,880
I wrote "Blinded by the Light"
with a rhyming dictionary.

510
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,400
It wasn't a flash of genius.

511
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,559
I had a rhyming dictionary.
I used all rhyming words.

512
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,759
Did you start with music?

513
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,279
To "Blinded by the Light"
and many songs from the first album

514
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,880
I wrote a lot of the lyrics first.

515
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,079
- Did you start with the lyrics?
- I proclaimed myself a poet,

516
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,359
and I wrote the lyrics,

517
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,319
and then the right music.

518
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:10,240
And this is it:

519
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,920
<i>Crazy drummers, vagabonds
And summer</i>'s Indians

520
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,400
With a teenage diplomat

521
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:24,079
<i>On the ground, with mumps,
The teenager puts on his</i>hat

522
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:32,599
<i>With a boulder on my shoulder I feel
Older, I got into a merry-go-round

523
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,920
<i>With an unpleasant sneeze
And a hiss</i>ing

524
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240
The piano collapsed

525
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,960
<i>A super slick guy
He was heading towards the hotspot</i>

526
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,759
<i>Snapping his fingers
Clapping</i>'s hands

527
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,599
<i>A mascot was tied in a knot
And he had something in</i>'s hand

528
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,559
<i>And now young Scott with the slingshot
He finally found a sensitive</i>point

529
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,599
And he throws his girlfriend in the sand

530
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,359
<i>A forget-me-not whisper
Father is near</i>

531
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Keep it cool, turn up the music

532
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880
And she was blinded by the light

533
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:20,799
<i>It went wild
Another runaway in the night</i>

534
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,400
Orb of light

535
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,960
<i>He was sad, but never
He didn't</i>get drunk

536
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,079
He will succeed

537
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,519
It was just me having fun.

538
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,039
But it was all inspired by my life.

539
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:44,000
It was like the crazy drummer
would have been "Mad Dog" Lopez.

540
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,319
The Indians were my baseball team
from the Junior League.

541
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,759
- So it's stupid, in a way.
- It's nonsense, total nonsense.

542
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:53,920
I feel like an idiot.
I should be able to do that.

543
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,519
It's a lot of nonsense.

544
00:29:55,599 --> 00:30:00,039
But you were... What?
I'm curious about that song.

545
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,119
When it becomes a hit for another band,
Manfred Mann's Earth Band,

546
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,599
which I put on the radio
a million times.

547
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Are you excited or say to yourself: "Hang on,

548
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,680
I record the song
and it doesn't reach number one,

549
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:15,240
but when Manfred Mann sings it,

550
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,160
Did I do something wrong with the arrangement?"

551
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,960
How do you feel when Manfred Mann
make a hit out of that song?

552
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,279
this is my story

553
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,599
because "Blinded by the Light",
Manfred Mann had a hit.

554
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,839
With "Fire", the Pointer Sisters had a hit.

555
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,480
"Because the Night",
Patti Smith had a hit.

556
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,480
A lot of people had hits
with my music, which

557
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:40,079
I couldn't have them
and I wouldn't have had them, unfortunately.

558
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,519
But how do you feel? You feel honored
or you think:

559
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:46,200
"When I sing this song,
does it have to be louder?"

560
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:50,480
Now maybe you don't care
but then if you come back...

561
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,759
No, I liked it. It's like...

562
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,519
Whenever someone takes a song from you,
it's flattering.

563
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,480
I like it no matter who makes it.

564
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,759
What it was like when Bowie sang
two songs of yours.

565
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,279
You were young.
You weren't very famous back then.

566
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,359
You looked at Bowie
how to record your tracks.

567
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Yes, he recorded "Saint in the City"
and "Growing Up", I think.

568
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,799
- I think he took these over.
- "Growing Up". Yes.

569
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,759
It was in a famous studio
from Philadelphia. What was his name?

570
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,799
Sigma Sound?
He was recording the Young Americans album.

571
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,960
I had an album out too.

572
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,119
He contacted me through Colombia

573
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,119
and he told me he wanted me to come to the studio.

574
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,519
I said: "My God!"

575
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,680
- Bowie? Were you a Bowie fan?
- Yes. I was.

576
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:51,640
To get to Philadelphia, I took
the Greyhound bus from Asbury Park.

577
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,160
- Big rock star.
- Me, in Philadelphia.

578
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,559
I managed to find the studio

579
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,799
and I remember clearly
because Luther Vandross, who later

580
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,160
became a big star, accompanied him
David Bowie.

581
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,279
He looked like Bowie,
or was it already transformed? Not.

582
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,359
Yes, he looked like Bowie. Yes.

583
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,359
- I think maybe it wasn't.
- He was a great guy, a sweet guy.

584
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,799
And supported my music when I was...

585
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640
When I was a nobody.

586
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,799
- Yes.
- I hadn't sold any records.

587
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,799
He supported me a lot
to my first projects.

588
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,960
It was a very beautiful thing.

589
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,519
When Bono introduced you to the inclusion
in the Rock Star Gallery,

590
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,240
he gave a great speech. He said:

591
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,799
"Bruce managed not to do stupid things
rock star. He didn't have an ugly haircut,

592
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640
you don't see him in a tight suit in any of the clips.

593
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,359
You managed to avoid exhibiting your paintings."

594
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,799
- It was...
- I'm trying.

595
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,920
- Do you paint? No.
- No.

596
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Laugh at rock stars
who do these things?

597
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,839
Or do you sometimes wonder:
"Are you not getting enough attention?"

598
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,759
It's good if you like something else.
I have a few hobbies.

599
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:08,759
What hobbies do you have?

600
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,519
My sister is a great photographer.
Pam Springsteen.

601
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,799
He taught me how to take pictures.

602
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,839
I also take photos, for fun.

603
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,039
- Would you do an exhibition?
- I don't think so.

604
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,559
I should be good.

605
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Did your sisters envy you?

606
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,640
how is your relationship

607
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,240
You are a megastar, you are known everywhere.

608
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,119
Is it hard for them to be your sisters?

609
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:40,240
They are proud of me.
My sisters supported me and…

610
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,680
I make fun of you and laugh at you, you know...

611
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,559
- Do you accept this?
- Yes.

612
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,799
When I received money after launch,
my sister Virginia

613
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,279
took me with "Look what the little boy has done
to Adele Springsteen."

614
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:01,279
Know? He grabbed me and laughed at me…

615
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,160
They tease me, but they're great.

616
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,079
Great people, great girls!
Two wonderful sisters.

617
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Everyone I meet
i think i know how i should

618
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,239
be it Bruce Springsteen or

619
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,960
how he should think.
I do that too. When did you sell your

620
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,159
the catalog with hundreds of millions of dollars,

621
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,800
I said to myself:
"I can't believe Bruce is doing this.

622
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000
They would never sell their catalog,
these pieces are his children.

623
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:31,559
He won't do it because he doesn't want to..."
And Neil Young sold his.

624
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,119
I interviewed him and he told me:

625
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
"I heard they used 'Old Man'
in an advertisement

626
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:37,519
during a football match."

627
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,320
And he thought it was weird but, you know?

628
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,159
After you sell it,
it can't seem strange to you anymore

629
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
- ...if something strange happens.
- Yes.

630
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,239
I reached the age of 70-73.

631
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,960
He was going to get to Columbia, that I knew
that he will take care of him and be…

632
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,079
It was a timing thing.

633
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,079
And I thought it made sense.
It makes sense to do it now.

634
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:07,960
You also have the feeling that you are getting your reward.

635
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,960
Like saying, "You know what?
I have worked all my life.

636
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,880
let me figure it out
financially speaking,

637
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,679
- ...how much the songs are worth."
- Absolutely.

638
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,920
- Yes.
- Absolutely.

639
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,039
Yes, I understand.

640
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,559
- Do you know?
- I understand, yes. It's weird.

641
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,679
It's strange when you think that those songs

642
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
they brought you so much money
because you did it out of passion.

643
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,559
Yes. It was just...

644
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,920
As I said, I had
luckiest job in the world

645
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,119
because I get paid a fortune
for something I would have done for free.

646
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:41,000
Are you thinking of retiring?
or will it never happen?

647
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,840
I can't imagine.

648
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,400
If I came to a point
where I could no longer...

649
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,599
But until then, I guess...

650
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,760
Look at Johnny Cash.

651
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Johnny Cash, Pete Seeger.

652
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,719
I played with Pete Seeger
at Obama's inauguration.

653
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,599
Pete was 91 or 92

654
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,400
and sang "This Land Is Your Land".

655
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,400
I look at them and I don't know

656
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,920
if I'm going to do three-hour shows.

657
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,480
But there are so many types of music
which I can sing and compose.

658
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,920
I can do the Broadway show
the rest of my life

659
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,039
if i want

660
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,320
You can always...

661
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,840
I can't imagine retiring.

662
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,599
After the Broadway show, I said:

663
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,679
"All rock stars will have
a Broadway show,

664
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,800
they will talk about their lives and sing.

665
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,440
They will all imitate Bruce."
But it hasn't happened yet.

666
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,440
It was hard to do. That's probably why.

667
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:46,320
It's hard to do. In addition,
if you are a stadium artist...

668
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880
- Yes.
- Suddenly, to go to the theater...

669
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,239
Not that it's all about the money.
But suddenly

670
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,840
you have a smaller audience
and you have to go every night.

671
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,800
- Yes.
- And it's hard.

672
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,599
- But what a show! It was so intimate.
- Yes.

673
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,960
It happened by mistake.

674
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,079
I was invited to sing at the White House.

675
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,480
I didn't want to bring the band.

676
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,320
I said: "I'm going to sing acoustically.

677
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,079
What can I do differently?"

678
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,559
I'll read a bit of my book and
I will sing songs about it.

679
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,119
So we partied
an afternoon or two in the studio,

680
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,239
I did a little show
and I went to stage it.

681
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,639
And it ended up being about 90 minutes
from the Broadway show.

682
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,719
After we sang, Patti said:

683
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,159
"Oh, is...? That's..."
Barack Obama came and said:

684
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,239
"You did this for us, but you should
to turn it into a spectacle."

685
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,320
Then on the way back
Patti said, "Yeah, that's it."

686
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,719
And Jon, they both said:
"It was something special."

687
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,920
In short order, I added
half an hour and it became the show

688
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,079
which I brought to Broadway.
in a way

689
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,280
it developed naturally and happened
almost by accident.

690
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,159
It became tiresome,
after playing it a few times?

691
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,920
- No.
- No. You liked it.

692
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Yes, I loved it every night
when i played

693
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:16,280
I played in over 200 evenings.

694
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,960
I did 14 months.

695
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,760
And I loved every night that
i played it and discovered something new.

696
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,480
I've said this a few times.

697
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,159
I like it when you come with your wife
and sing together.

698
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,519
- Yes.
- And that song, God!

699
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,119
You kill me with it every time you...

700
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,639
It's great! are you going to the piano

701
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,360
- I'm going to the piano.
- Okay. Great!

702
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:44,599
- Yes.
- By the way,

703
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:47,039
when did you soundcheck here

704
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,400
you were playing the keys.

705
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,039
Do you always sing the same thing?

706
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,159
- No.
- No?

707
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,960
Maybe. I sing the beginning of the song
"Thunder Road".

708
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,599
Yes, that sounds good. I get chills when...

709
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:05,239
But the piece you speak of,
"Tougher Than The Rest",

710
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,639
which I can't sing well without Patti...

711
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,719
And to bring Patti here,
you will have to convince her with beauty,

712
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,320
because she is Sicilian and has a good memory.

713
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,199
i know But first,
I want to thank you for coming.

714
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,199
Because...

715
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,280
- I have a lot to apologize for.
- No. I didn't mean to say that.

716
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,400
No, you are very kind and forgiving.

717
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,480
And I love you and Patti
and i love your style.

718
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,599
Nice to be here and... And Patti
conveys her love to you. So...

719
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,480
Thanks for coming!

720
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,079
- I'm very excited.
- Thank you.

721
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,599
Speaking of "Tougher Than the Rest".

722
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:48,039
It's maybe the best song
of my love.

723
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,039
And...

724
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,079
Because it's very discreet.

725
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,119
How did you come up with this idea?

726
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:00,639
I am trying to understand the process
so I can imitate him and make a lot of money.

727
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,880
- Okay.
- Do you want to...?

728
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,039
It seems to me, not that there is a formula,

729
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:12,119
but first you say to yourself: "Let me write.
I have something to say about my wife.

730
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:13,440
- I have..."
- Yes.

731
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,199
Not? It's a love I can write about.

732
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,000
- Yes.
- You sit alone in a room and...

733
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,800
Do you have a special journal that you write in?
A special pen?

734
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,480
how is it going

735
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,559
First of all,
you need a good metaphor.

736
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:30,679
So... Or a good title.

737
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,320
If you have something to cling to,
that takes you very far.

738
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,559
"Tougher Than the Rest" is a good title.

739
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,159
So I started…

740
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,719
I started with something I could
to deepen.

741
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,679
Then I thought, "What am I...?

742
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:49,880
What does this guy mean?"

743
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,079
I said, "He's in a bar,

744
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,159
there's someone he's interested in."

745
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,719
Are you thinking:
"I'm not special, but I hold on."

746
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,079
When things get crazy
I am with you.

747
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,119
I'm not everything, but that's what I am.

748
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,440
- And that's...
- In other words, the secret of love is:

749
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,679
maybe i'm not the prettiest
most popular or best paid,

750
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,159
- ...but I'll be there if needed.
- Yes.

751
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,480
- That's what you thought the first time.
- Yes. This is what I am writing about.

752
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,320
It's the guy's only asset.

753
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,920
He doesn't have this, he doesn't have that, he doesn't have that.

754
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,199
But when things get crazy,
i will be there

755
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,159
And I write about him.

756
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,159
So I have...

757
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,119
It's Saturday night

758
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,199
You are dressed in blue

759
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,440
I've been following you for a while

760
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,159
Baby, you're following me too

761
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,239
So someone ran away

762
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,639
He left someone's heart broken

763
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,760
If you're looking for love

764
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,519
Honey, I'm stronger than others

765
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,440
Some girls want a handsome Dan

766
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,480
Or a handsome Joe

767
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,039
On the arm

768
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:38,320
Some girls like a sweet Romeo

769
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,400
Over here baby

770
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,719
I learned that you get what you can get

771
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,639
<i>If you are strong enough
for love</i>

772
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:59,639
Baby, I'm stronger than others

773
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,920
The road is dark

774
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,199
It's a fine line

775
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,960
<i>But I want you to know that I would go for it
Anytime for you</i>

776
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,320
Maybe the other men

777
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,519
They couldn't pass the test

778
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,960
If you are strong and you want love

779
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:39,159
Honey, I'm stronger than all of them

780
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,400
The road is dark...

781
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,039
So I write starting from the fact that

782
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,199
I don't have one, I don't have another, but I'm strong.

783
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,159
When the guy gets to the last verse, he says

784
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:03,159
It's no secret

785
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,079
I'm worn out.

786
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,119
I've been through a lot

787
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,119
I don't know, baby

788
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Maybe you passed too

789
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,760
There's one more dance, baby

790
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,119
And you just have to say yes

791
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,320
<i>And if you are strong
And ready for love

792
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,719
Honey, I'm stronger than all of them

793
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,920
<i>If you are strong enough
for love</i>

794
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:51,320
Baby, I'm stronger than all of them

795
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,199
So it's all about this guy.

796
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,239
It's the last chance.

797
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:04,000
Use the only sales strategy
which he has.

798
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,760
- It sells itself.
- It sells itself.

799
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,280
So the whole song is a sale.

800
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,280
There were moments when I got chills.

801
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,079
Are you aware of this?
Are there any tricks to composition?

802
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:22,400
I don't want to call them tricks,
but there are certain moments.

803
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,920
Do you feel it too? Do you feel this too?

804
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,719
- Sure, yes.
- Do you understand?

805
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,800
Yes. That's how I know if I have something.

806
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,760
I mean, I perform and sing, but I also listen.

807
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,239
If I can do it for myself,

808
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,679
if i can create a sensation for myself
I create it for you too.

809
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,360
That's how I evaluate what I do.

810
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,519
- You know...
- It's magnificent.

811
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,280
- And, Bruce, where...
- Yes.

812
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,880
How do you know so much about love?

813
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,679
Maybe I'm in too deep.

814
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,960
But when you're raised like this,

815
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,400
and your father was difficult.

816
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,000
I like what you said about your father.

817
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,360
how did you say It was...

818
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,039
- My greatest hero and enemy.
- Yes.

819
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,599
- Yes.
- And I know what it's like.

820
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,599
I worshiped my father.

821
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,280
But he gave me...
There was also a guy who put me down

822
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,920
- ...and made me feel like nothing.
- Yes.

823
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,239
And how do you...?

824
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,440
How can you love a woman like Patti?

825
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:32,519
How can you love someone
when you were refused

826
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:36,960
a father's love and someone
which makes you feel good?

827
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,440
Where did you get the ability to love a woman?

828
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,360
It was very difficult.

829
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,760
It was very hard for me to figure it out.

830
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,119
And I...

831
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:52,840
This is what I... When I went...

832
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:58,239
I was 32 years old when I entered
in a psychoanalyst's office.

833
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,440
That's what I wanted to know.
I said to myself: "What do I know?"

834
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,480
At 32, I already had
some successes.

835
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:08,480
And...

836
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,639
But also
I felt my biological clock ticking.

837
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,079
And I said, "Well..."

838
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:18,159
Where were you in your career at 32?
On what album?

839
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,320
I had just finished The River
and an album called Nebraska.</i>

840
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000
I had just finished the two albums.

841
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,079
- And...
- How do you find a psychoanalyst?

842
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:30,480
You said "the one I went to"

843
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,400
because who can you trust?
You are Bruce Springsteen.

844
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,480
That's what Mr. Landau is good at.

845
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,400
It's just another place where it's useful to us.
So...

846
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,320
- You have the greatest confidence in Mr. Landau.
- Yes.

847
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Is he your best friend?

848
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,519
One of them.
One of my best friends.

849
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:54,039
How did you know to get a reporter from
Rolling Stone and make him your manager?

850
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,800
How did you know he was good at business?

851
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,519
Because that man was incredible
in your life, but how did you find it?

852
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:06,599
At first I didn't care if he knew
so much about business.

853
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,840
- I thought: "You can learn this."
- Yes.

854
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,719
But trust, you can't teach it.

855
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,320
- Yes.
- You either have it or you don't.

856
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Or is it someone you trust completely,

857
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,960
and he trusts you
or you don't have that.

858
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,280
You can't buy that and you can't learn that.

859
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,800
- Let's start with that.
- Okay.

860
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Let me start with a guy who
I know that he loves me and that I love him.

861
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:35,840
We have a deep feeling
mutual trust and respect.

862
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,679
Is he the father you never had?

863
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,920
He's not that old.

864
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,559
But I think,
when we met he...

865
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,199
He was a mentor,
he played the role of a mentor.

866
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,480
- Now we are partners. But...
- Yes.

867
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:51,880
But when I started

868
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,480
Yes, he played an important role as a mentor

869
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,320
in my life and work.

870
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,119
You knew, because you couldn't receive
that kind of love from your father

871
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,920
did you know you need to find mentors?

872
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,760
Or were you a completely clueless person?

873
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,159
Not. I've always had father figures.

874
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,679
- Really?
- Yes, always.

875
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Since my parents left.

876
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,079
Teachers?
Who were your mentors?

877
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,800
Not too many.
I found them kind of unconventional.

878
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,360
I was living outside the system,
and when the parents left...

879
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,320
- Did they go to California?
- Yes. They left in 1969.

880
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,639
I stayed in New Jersey
and I lived with the band.

881
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,239
So you don't meet conventional people.

882
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,840
Everyone you meet
they are unconventional.

883
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,760
There were only a few guys
from college that...

884
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,679
They had $3,000 that they invested
in our equipment.

885
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000
And they became my managers for about two years.

886
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:55,079
And then there was a guy, Carl "Tinker" West,

887
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,159
who had a surfboard factory
in Wanamassa, New Jersey.

888
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,800
He took me under his wing,
he was ten years older than me.

889
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,239
He was a West Coast surfer,
came to the East.

890
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,639
I lived in the factory,
in the same room with him for about two years.

891
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,559
But we traveled all over the US together,

892
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,679
me and a guy named Tinker. And...

893
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,480
There were good people who told you
that i care about you

894
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:24,320
They noticed my talent and said:

895
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,079
"You deserve something, I invest too
something in you."

896
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,079
That was all. Simply.

897
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,960
I was dating someone: "You're good at something.

898
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,440
You are worth something.
Let me invest time in you."

899
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,280
There were people who did that.

900
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,239
They invested time, much of their income.

901
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,679
There was another guy, Tex Vinyard,
in Freehold when I was 15 or 16.

902
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,679
Those who opened their doors,
they let me in with the band

903
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,519
they were arranging everything, they were moving
living room furniture.

904
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,440
Install the band equipment there,

905
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,880
and they let you do your own thing
from 15:00 to 18:00.

906
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,280
It's wonderful

907
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,039
- ...that there are people who do this.
- He's incredibly generous.

908
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,719
The unsung heroes of rock and roll.

909
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,760
They support all the bands in the garages.

910
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,920
All the young musicians in the country
should have

911
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,280
someone like them in their life.

912
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,320
These people form a support network

913
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,639
which gets you to the point where,
before you get to a record label

914
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,760
or make an album, it helps
to survive

915
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,119
That's what I tried to do
since my parents left

916
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,599
I just had to stay in line
floating, with people who appreciated me.

917
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:44,320
That's what we were trying to achieve.

918
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,760
You probably don't do it publicly,
but do you help struggling artists?

919
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,960
You notice people and say, 'May I help you?'"

920
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,039
- A little. Not so much.
- A little, no.

921
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:56,480
- If I see someone, you know...
- Damn it!

922
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,000
- No, but...
- They have to fend for themselves.

923
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,840
- Yes. To stand up by your own strength.
- That's what I did.

924
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Bruce, returning to the idea of loving her
to Patti, to love your children

925
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,239
and to have a family,

926
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,239
it wasn't something that came naturally to you.

927
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,159
Because probably
you had anger issues

928
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,280
- Yes.
- Yes.

929
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Because, let's face it,
when you don't have a father

930
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:26,400
who loves you, who takes you in his arms,
who calls you "son"

931
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,960
you are devastated

932
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,400
And take a stand:
"Who is this woman? I don't know…

933
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,039
Why do you deserve my love?
I don't even know what love is."

934
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:40,239
Yes. I think most artists,

935
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,760
and most of my acquaintances,
they had a similar dynamic in childhood.

936
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,760
They had a parent who told them

937
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,800
- ...that they were the second coming of Jesus.
- Yes.

938
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,079
And they had a parent who told them
that they are good for nothing.

939
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,079
- Yes.
- And these two things.

940
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,079
Oh, we're all mama's boys.

941
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:07,480
Secondly,
we've all had that imbalance in life

942
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,639
which took us from one extreme to another.

943
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,480
So go out into the world

944
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:18,239
and you try to validate both opinions
unfortunately.

945
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,239
I realized that's what I was doing.

946
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,039
I was stuck in a space where

947
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,840
I didn't have the emotional flexibility

948
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,840
to have a real relationship with someone

949
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,039
or to fall in love.

950
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,639
I was too scared and running away. And...

951
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,039
I said, "How do I... How do I stay?"

952
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,559
How to get to the place where...

953
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:48,880
How do I get what this guy is saying
in "Tougher Than the Rest"?

954
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,480
How do I get to be able to say
that i will be there

955
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:58,280
I can't promise you I'll be perfect
I can't promise you I'll be able to do that.

956
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,840
But I can promise you I'll be here.

957
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,280
- I will give my best.
- You sang about an ideal,

958
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,880
but you weren't that guy.

959
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,679
You couldn't get there.

960
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,000
You have to imagine.
It's like anything else.

961
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,000
I have to...

962
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,840
You have to get your mind there
and hope your ass follows you.

963
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,519
- Correct.
- You have to imagine

964
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,920
that person before you became
that person.

965
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,679
And once you can do that,

966
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,840
you must learn to become that person.

967
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,239
That's the part
where most people are unlucky.

968
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,199
Or, if they're lucky,
they meet a person who takes them with them.

969
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,159
But to learn those skills
to love, which are real...

970
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,119
I don't understand, you have to try
how did you try the guitar

971
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,280
- Yes.
- Do you know?

972
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,039
How much therapy have you had?

973
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,679
to go beyond and say:

974
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,719
"I can be devoted to someone, I don't have to run away"?

975
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,760
Damn it!
The first part was that I can be devoted.

976
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,880
That's why I went to...
That's why...

977
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,800
That got me going.

978
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,800
And then...

979
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,920
I got married once at 34,
i was married

980
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,960
about three years and divorced.

981
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:22,159
It was very...

982
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,840
It was devastating, it was a failure then.

983
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,519
I had married a wonderful woman. And...

984
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,360
You think if you had
the benefits of therapy then,

985
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,880
- ...could you have stayed in that relationship?
- I don't think so.

986
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,199
I think when I started therapy

987
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,000
I learned that I am not
in a good relationship. And...

988
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:49,039
So...

989
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,119
But it was a part
very important in my life.

990
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:56,400
Finally,
Patti and I met.

991
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480
And Patti was very different
of all the others

992
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,360
who we had gone out with before. She was tough.

993
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,000
He sang in the streets of
New York with her friends.

994
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,960
She had her professional life.

995
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:13,360
He played on some Stones records.
He played with Southside Johnny.

996
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,440
And I saw her sing

997
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:18,119
at the Stone Pony in Asbury Park.

998
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:20,039
That's when we met.

999
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:23,920
How long did it take for Patti to trust
in you?

1000
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,320
To be the man in the song

1001
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,599
- ...and stay there with her?
- Okay.

1002
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,920
I think I still have work to do on this.

1003
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,360
Serious?
He still doesn't trust you. I understand.

1004
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,199
The question is

1005
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,039
since it started
to have enough confidence...

1006
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,519
Enough to keep you in the house?

1007
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,159
- God!
- I think that's it.

1008
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:54,000
Patti and I were both outcasts.

1009
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:55,320
And she... I always say:

1010
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,719
"Patti, before we get married,
you were kind of like me.

1011
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,159
And you lived as I lived."

1012
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,280
We were both intruders,

1013
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,679
but we joined forces and promised each other:

1014
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,280
"Well, that's what we're going to do.

1015
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,760
That's what we do what we have to do
to go."

1016
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,800
And we both worked…
I made this vow.

1017
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,599
And we married a lot
before we actually get married.

1018
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,519
We were together for 33 or 34 years and...

1019
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,400
It's amazing because it inspires me.

1020
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,159
And I say this because I remember
when I read your book

1021
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,360
in which you write that you went several times
in a bar in New Jersey

1022
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,960
to get your father out of there.

1023
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:42,480
He was an alcoholic.

1024
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,320
When you have to do something like this,

1025
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,239
it's very hard to recover.

1026
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,480
To be an adult, but you are a child,

1027
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:54,119
and make your father
stop acting childish...

1028
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,400
It is very difficult to have a loving relationship
with someone

1029
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,920
Yes, it was hard.

1030
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,519
Because...

1031
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,679
Obviously, my father,
my role model in life was not generous.

1032
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,960
So...

1033
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:12,639
All the signals we received
about what it means to be a man

1034
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:14,420
were "No, you don't. You know, you..."

1035
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,599
Dad was very passive-aggressive
and very passive in the house.

1036
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:23,360
He just couldn't give himself.

1037
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,000
I realized that these are the lessons
that I learned.

1038
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:28,960
That's how I learned to be.

1039
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,559
When your father walked into the room
and you composed

1040
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:33,559
you were practically sitting at the piano,

1041
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:35,840
he never came and said, "Wow!"

1042
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:38,920
- No.
- It was stupid, I mean.

1043
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,920
Of course not. I mean, then...

1044
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,239
When I was at home, I lived upstairs.

1045
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Dad was sitting in the kitchen,
and my room was right above.

1046
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,760
There were some old grills
which opened

1047
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,199
and it was just a grill
to the next room.

1048
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,960
And he could hear me playing the guitar.

1049
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,159
You are a parent.

1050
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,000
- You don't say: "Become a musician!"
- Yes.

1051
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:03,000
"I have a great idea,
you should be a musician."

1052
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,480
- Yes.
- No, they wanted me to do it

1053
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,679
lawyer, doctor or...

1054
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,079
when they left
they didn't know what would happen to me.

1055
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:14,000
I hadn't done anything yet.

1056
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:18,039
They were surprised when I called them

1057
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,880
from Asbury Park and I told them:

1058
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,239
"I signed with a record company."

1059
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,920
My mother asked me:
"Did you change your name?"

1060
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,920
That was her first question.
"It can't be Bruce Springsteen.

1061
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,079
You traded it for something better."

1062
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:35,039
Did someone force you to change your name?

1063
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,400
Because... John Mellencamp had become
Johnny Cougar.

1064
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,960
- I know. He doesn't like it.
- Yes. He doesn't like it.

1065
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,880
But no. Not then. Everyone...

1066
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:48,639
Everyone liked it.

1067
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,360
Yes. I don't know. It's crazy.

1068
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,519
When...

1069
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:58,239
when i think of you
like a composer

1070
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,320
I think about the fact that,
even the Beatles

1071
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,199
- ...they had each other.
- Yes.

1072
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,719
John had Paul. George has arrived
a great composer.

1073
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,079
But your case is amazing.

1074
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,519
There is no collaboration. You had the band
E Street Band and others.

1075
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,480
But mostly all these songs
they came from you

1076
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,159
- You wrote them yourself.
- Sure.

1077
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:29,400
Have you ever been jealous of bands
which compose together?

1078
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,800
Mick has Keith.

1079
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,760
Or you never thought
get a writing partner?

1080
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,559
Yes, I had turned into a loner.

1081
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,119
Just because that's how I grew up.

1082
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,199
I was used to being
my best company

1083
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,719
- It's amazing.
- So...

1084
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,920
I said, "No.
I want to be completely independent.

1085
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,079
I want to be a singer.

1086
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,480
I want to be an artist.
I want to be a composer."

1087
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:02,440
I was not interested in such collaborations.

1088
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,159
I have a different collaboration with the band and...

1089
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:09,920
And with many friends of mine,
Steve and everyone else.

1090
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,719
But when it came to...

1091
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:18,039
That's why when I went to CBS,
at 22 years old,

1092
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,519
I went alone with an acoustic guitar.

1093
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:22,760
So. Not in a box.

1094
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,199
- I was just doing it like this...
- What did you sing to them?

1095
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,440
- I went into John Hammond's office.
- Yes.

1096
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:34,480
And the first song I sang...

1097
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,400
- Let me see...
- What kind of guitar is that?

1098
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,519
This is a Takamine guitar.

1099
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,400
It's a good acoustic guitar
which I have been using for a long time.

1100
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,519
- Okay.
- It was "Saint in the City".

1101
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,360
It was the first song I sang to him
of John Hammond.

1102
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,360
Did you have emotions?

1103
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:53,960
- Yes.
- The stakes are high.

1104
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:58,320
As I was getting into the elevator, I said to myself, "Okay."

1105
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,079
Mike Appel, my manager, somehow managed it
to enter John Hammond's office.

1106
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:10,519
I know who John Hammond is.
Signed Dylan, Billie Hall,

1107
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,280
he signed with everyone.

1108
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:18,599
So I knew where I was going
and who will i see

1109
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,000
I said to myself, "Okay.

1110
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:27,360
At worst, I come out as I am now.

1111
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,239
It's not that bad.

1112
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,519
I make a living.
I sing. I enjoy life."

1113
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:39,880
I said, "I have nothing to lose. In the most
bad case, I'll be exactly as I am."

1114
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,719
I almost convinced myself that it was true.

1115
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:45,400
Yes, but you had to tell yourself something.

1116
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,800
I kept talking. I kept encouraging myself.

1117
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,679
I convinced myself that it was true
until I sat down and watched.

1118
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,000
It was a little room.

1119
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:59,599
I looked across the desk
and saw John Hammond.

1120
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:02,960
Gray suit, short cut, tie, shirt.

1121
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:07,480
With his feet on the desk, he was lying on his back.
And...

1122
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,639
You got goosebumps when you saw him
the corporatist sitting there?

1123
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:13,960
It didn't seem that way because I knew who he was.

1124
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:15,840
- And he wasn't a corporatist.
- Yes.

1125
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,800
He was a true artist.

1126
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,280
An old-fashioned artist
and repertoire manager.

1127
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,880
- Yes.
- Mike Appel, my manager at the time,

1128
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,480
said, "We came to see if you have anything."

1129
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,800
She went crazy.

1130
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,280
Hammond was ready to kill us
or throw us out.

1131
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,599
Finally, he said, "Sing me something!"

1132
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,159
- Simply.
- Yes. I started.

1133
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,039
My skin was tanned
And a cobra</i>'s sharp gaze

1134
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,960
<i>I was born sad and sunburned
But I exploded like a supernova</i>

1135
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,519
<i>I could walk like Brando
Directly in the sun</i>

1136
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,880
Then to dance like a Casanova

1137
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,360
<i>With cane and jacket
And gelled hair

1138
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,480
<i>With silver targets on my clothes
Like a hot Harley</i>

1139
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,719
<i>When I walk proudly down the street
I can feel his heart beating</i>

1140
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:43,719
<i>The sisters fell back and said:
"Isn't that man handsome?"</i>

1141
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,920
<i>An invalid in the corner shouted:
"Some money from your mercy!"</i>

1142
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,920
The guys in the center talk tough

1143
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,599
It's hard to be a saint in the city

1144
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,760
And he said:
"You must be at Columbia Records."

1145
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,159
You were broke then, almost homeless, right?

1146
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:08,760
Yes, I was homeless.

1147
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,440
Not nearly homeless. I had a bag
to sleep on my friend's floor.

1148
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:17,599
Incredible. What pressure...
When they told you: "It's done!"

1149
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:19,880
- Yes.
- How much pressure, right?

1150
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,480
To release the first album, because you want to
to be successful.

1151
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,000
You don't want to let people down.

1152
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:28,559
Yes, they have invested in you.

1153
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:29,760
And... And...

1154
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,239
I felt...

1155
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,760
I had a lot of experience when I signed.

1156
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:44,800
I was 22 years old,
but I had been singing everywhere for eight or nine years.

1157
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:50,079
At every firemen's ball,
in any bowling alley, pizzeria.

1158
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:53,119
- That's what's needed, right?
- Yes, for a thousand nights.

1159
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:54,360
I sang everywhere.

1160
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,360
And when you're in that room with him,

1161
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,760
the only reason you are so
relaxed and you are able to sing

1162
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,360
those agreements in force is that you did
so many times.

1163
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,000
I have done it many times. I knew what I was doing.

1164
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,360
I didn't know if I was going to put out an album,
if i sign a contract,

1165
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,800
but I knew what they were.

1166
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,960
I sang for many people

1167
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,239
and I had heard much applause before I saw him
on John Hammond.

1168
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,360
When you enter the studio for the first time,

1169
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,679
it's a completely different experience, right?

1170
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,840
Because you need to know
how to adapt for a studio.

1171
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Who showed you what to do,
because you hadn't done this before?

1172
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,559
Not. I went in and they told me where to sit.

1173
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,840
They were pointing to the microphone.
I went to the microphone.

1174
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:41,639
- Yes.
- And...

1175
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:45,039
I simply have...

1176
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,800
I stood frozen at midnight

1177
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,320
Suspended in my masquerade costume

1178
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,440
I combed my hair until it came out perfectly

1179
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,480
And I commanded the night brigade

1180
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,760
I was open to pain and lashed by rain

1181
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,320
I started singing.

1182
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,679
- It was all I knew how to do.
- But were you excited?

1183
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,000
The Beatles, when they enter the studio,

1184
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,360
there are many mixes and all kinds of things.

1185
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,360
But the first time you step into the studio,

1186
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,599
I imagine it's very intimidating.

1187
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,480
I did a demo with John Hammond.

1188
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,320
It was just me, the guitar and him.

1189
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,480
He produced it. And so...

1190
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,880
That's what I did the first time, and then,
when I went into the studio with Mike,

1191
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,840
who was the producer
my first album...

1192
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:42,639
The record company wanted me

1193
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:45,400
to make a record with only guitar
and with my voice.

1194
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,280
John Hammond wanted me to make a record
just with guitar and vocals.

1195
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,840
I had a band
so i tried to put it on disc.

1196
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,719
And I managed to put it on the disc
rhythm section of the band,

1197
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,159
but I couldn't use it
electric guitar.

1198
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:04,840
And because it was the moment of the singer-songwriter.

1199
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,199
- Yes.
- James Taylor and...

1200
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,039
- There were all those...
- Jackson Browne and... Yeah.

1201
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,719
The singer's moment.
They were looking for a new Dylan.

1202
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,000
And so...

1203
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,960
They didn't know I played with a band
when I signed.

1204
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:26,000
They had no idea I had a knack for rock.

1205
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:27,760
But maybe for me

1206
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,560
the most personal albums
that you did

1207
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,680
the ones i like the most
i'm with you and your guitar

1208
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,159
I like what you are up to now.

1209
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:40,560
Stay here with your guitar. It's mesmerizing.

1210
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,640
It's memorable and it's great.

1211
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,800
If you did, you know, I always say:

1212
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,000
If I have a good song,
I should be able to sing it to you myself.

1213
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:51,159
- Yes. Yes.
- And that's...

1214
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:57,199
Sometimes, you can get more shades
only from you

1215
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,760
from the guitar
and from the piece composed by you.

1216
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,960
Even in productions
big ones like Born to Run.

1217
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:06,560
It's like I can still sing them.

1218
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,159
I can sing them all by myself...

1219
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,520
How do you sing "Born to Run" alone?
It's completely different.

1220
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,920
Just...

1221
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,399
During the day, we stress on the streets

1222
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,359
To a fugitive American dream

1223
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,079
At night, we pass through

1224
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:42,560
<i>Mansions full of glory
In suicide cars</i>

1225
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,479
We escape from the cages on Highway 9

1226
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:52,800
<i>With chrome wheels,
And crossing the</i>limit

1227
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,600
This city breaks my back bones

1228
01:09:56,119 --> 01:09:57,039
It's a death trap

1229
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,119
It's a suicidal shot

1230
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:03,279
We must escape while we are young

1231
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:09,199
Because vagabonds like us

1232
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,880
Baby, they're born to run

1233
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,640
If the piece was composed well,

1234
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,159
you can relax and sing it.

1235
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:24,720
It was a good song.

1236
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,359
Is it the most important song of your career?

1237
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,119
Given that you had launched
the first two albums,

1238
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,239
you thought you could lose the contract
with Colombia

1239
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:35,920
if the third album was not successful.

1240
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,399
Then you wrote "Born to Run"
and it was the third album.

1241
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,159
And that track was released as a single
before the album's release.

1242
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,159
- Yes.
- Was it all or nothing for you?

1243
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,560
You look back at that song and say,
"Thank you, «Born to Run»"?

1244
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,079
Because who knows
what would have happened...

1245
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:54,479
- That's right.
- Yes?

1246
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,720
Yes, because it was the song
with which people identified me.

1247
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,399
And I probably still do,
to a certain extent, you know?

1248
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,239
It comes at the end of the evening.

1249
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:08,119
- Are you bored of singing it?
- No.

1250
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:10,920
I talk to musicians. There are some...

1251
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,920
I know Billy Joel well.

1252
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,800
There are certain songs he doesn't want
to sing them in concert.

1253
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,920
Do you still compose every day?
Do you still write music every day?

1254
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,079
- No.
- You don't compose anymore.

1255
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:21,840
Why not?

1256
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:24,760
I don't have something to say every day.

1257
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,000
Basically, I don't like it

1258
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:32,600
to enter a room
at 11:00 a.m. and to write until 3:00 p.m.

1259
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,079
I'm waiting for the songs to come out.

1260
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,119
How do they appear? When do they appear?

1261
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,439
Einstein had his best ideas in the shower.

1262
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,600
You're relaxed while driving, showering.

1263
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,199
- It is possible.
- You are in the shower,

1264
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:50,640
and suddenly you hear...
Do you have a song in your head every day?

1265
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,479
- Something that is...
- No.

1266
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,399
- You don't have.
- No. Years will pass without anything.

1267
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,000
- Really?
- Yes.

1268
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:58,760
You are very prolific.

1269
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,359
You would be nervous during those times
and you would say, "My God!"

1270
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,880
I don't know. do you believe in god
Do you have any...

1271
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,000
Yes, and I'm begging a lot to write something again.

1272
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,439
But you never know.

1273
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,159
That's the problem with my job.
I don't know if

1274
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,760
I will write another song. I hope so.

1275
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,920
Is it painful to write a song?

1276
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:24,880
Billy looked at the flaps like a shark
that bites his hands.

1277
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,560
It does not support the creation process.

1278
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,560
Stop writing songs.
He just doesn't want to anymore.

1279
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,600
Is it really that painful?

1280
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,479
I don't find it painful.
I find it very nice when it happens.

1281
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:44,800
The last record I did with the band,
"Letter to You", I wrote it around...

1282
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:50,960
I hadn't written for the band before
for about six years.

1283
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:54,680
I had made other albums, but not rock.

1284
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,560
Then I wrote the whole album for the band

1285
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,199
in about two weeks.

1286
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:07,600
And that's because I knew
what I want to write about.

1287
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,840
Let's see. "Letter to You".
How was "Letter to You"?

1288
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,720
I wanted to write about something. Yes.

1289
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:17,600
I wanted to write
about being in a rock band.

1290
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:23,159
I wanted to write about what it's like
to be in a rock band at my age.

1291
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:27,800
And I was writing about a friend
who had recently died

1292
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,319
the last guy in my first band.

1293
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:33,319
And...

1294
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:41,680
it was something
which got me thinking. And...

1295
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,840
You started to think
to your own mortality?

1296
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,279
Yes. I think the first thing
which I wrote

1297
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:52,760
there was a song called "Last Man
Standing". Let me see if I remember anything.

1298
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,319
Yes. Behold!

1299
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,479
He's my friend. He was dying...

1300
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,119
He was dying of cancer.

1301
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,720
I went south to Virginia.

1302
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,319
I saw him in the last days of his life.

1303
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,640
I'm back and a week has passed.

1304
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,680
Deleted photos in an old album

1305
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,119
Deleted photos taken by someone

1306
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,640
When you were tough, young and proud

1307
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:43,800
<i>With his back to the wall
Running unhindered and noisy</i>

1308
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,720
<i>With snakeskin vest
And sharkskin</i>suit

1309
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,039
Cuban heeled boots

1310
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,720
You sing with the band and shoulder to shoulder

1311
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:01,800
Take the crowd on the mysterious journey

1312
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,960
Knights of Columbus and Firemen's Ball

1313
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,920
Friday night at Union Hall

1314
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,920
<i>Black leather clubs
Along Route 9</i>

1315
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,720
<i>You count the missing
With the passage of time

1316
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:32,359
Eternal rock, pick me up somehow

1317
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,920
Somewhere high, and loud, and with noise

1318
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,199
Somewhere, deep in the heart of the crowd

1319
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,000
I'm the last one standing now

1320
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:52,399
- Beautiful.
- That's what I wrote.

1321
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,039
It's amazing. When Clarence was dying...

1322
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:58,560
I understand well that you went to see him

1323
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,399
and that when he died
were you next to him playing the guitar?

1324
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,760
- Yes.
- It's so...

1325
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,199
You went to see him
you had the guitar and you felt…

1326
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,479
I guess he wasn't aware
at that moment.

1327
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,239
But you felt that maybe Clarence could hear you.

1328
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,720
I thought he heard me
because he could shake your hand.

1329
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,000
When I first went to see him,

1330
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,600
had a reaction to the voice
and presence in the room.

1331
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,960
So I have...

1332
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,000
I said to myself: "I knew that.

1333
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,199
I knew he was going to die." And...

1334
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:45,079
I brought my guitar and played

1335
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:49,279
a song called
"Land of Hope and Dreams".

1336
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,640
Yes. "Land of Hope and Dreams".

1337
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,079
- And...
- Why did you choose this?

1338
01:16:55,239 --> 01:16:58,560
It's about the transition to the other world.

1339
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,920
It's about life and death.

1340
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:04,680
Do you remember all the songs? Can you...

1341
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,079
You refresh your memory if you decide
put a new song on the list?

1342
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:11,279
I remember many songs.
But I don't remember them all.

1343
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:19,039
- It's a beautiful guitar. What is it called?
- It's a big Takamine.

1344
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:22,680
That's another... It's a guitar
superb acoustic electric.

1345
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,800
I sing in many different tones.

1346
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,079
- I understand.
- This guitar is tuned in D.

1347
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,920
It's a simple tuning in Re,

1348
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,079
but I take the lowest string
and I tune it in C.

1349
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,880
Do you hear how deep it sounds down?

1350
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,520
So I do this when I sing alone,

1351
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,880
without a bass player, I'll...

1352
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:49,119
So...

1353
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,720
I ascend from this agreement.

1354
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:58,319
this song
"Land of Hope and Dreams", was...

1355
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:03,399
So you were sitting there with Clarence
and you were losing a dear friend.

1356
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,439
A guy who believed in you
and you believed in him.

1357
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,640
- Yes.
- And you started singing.

1358
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,199
- Yes.
- And you were alone with him in the room?

1359
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:14,760
- Were there others?
- No. I'm trying to think. I...

1360
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,399
They were some of his relatives.

1361
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,720
His brother was there.

1362
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,119
I think Jake, his nephew, was there.

1363
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:28,239
And there were a few other people.

1364
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:31,199
But it was a very small space and…

1365
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:35,119
And it was just...

1366
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,159
Get your ticket and your suitcase

1367
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,359
Thunder rolls on rails

1368
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,920
You don't know where you're going now

1369
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,239
But you know you're not coming back

1370
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,960
Well, honey, if you're tired

1371
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,359
Lay your head on my chest

1372
01:19:03,079 --> 01:19:05,279
We take what we can carry

1373
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:09,600
And we leave the rest

1374
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,680
The big wheels turn

1375
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,720
In fields where the sun shines

1376
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:26,560
<i>Come to a land
Of hope and dreams</i>

1377
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,199
I will take care of you

1378
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,840
And I'll be by your side

1379
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,920
For you will need a good companion

1380
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:49,520
For this part of the trip

1381
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:53,479
Leave your sadness behind

1382
01:19:55,239 --> 01:19:57,920
May this day be the last

1383
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,439
Tomorrow will be sunny

1384
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:07,079
And all darkness will disappear

1385
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,479
The big wheels turn

1386
01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:14,119
In fields where the sun shines

1387
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:19,039
Let's meet

1388
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:24,439
In a land of hope and dreams

1389
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:28,159
Keep it up...

1390
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,560
This train carries saints and sinners

1391
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,039
This train...

1392
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:37,319
I don't remember now.

1393
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:38,520
Losers and winners

1394
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,039
You know, it's...

1395
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:42,000
- A beautiful song.
- Yes.

1396
01:20:42,079 --> 01:20:43,960
It's an anthem. It's an anthem.

1397
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:46,239
And so...

1398
01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:48,279
Did you think you'd sing it to him?

1399
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:50,159
Or was it something spontaneous?

1400
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:51,520
I don't know.

1401
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:52,720
It was kind of...

1402
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,039
It was a song
for the end of the concerts.

1403
01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:57,800
It was one of the last songs

1404
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,720
which Clarence and I worked on together

1405
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,319
to a saxophone solo.

1406
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:10,800
And I think he's one of the

1407
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,159
my best songs

1408
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:20,039
from the last 20 or 30 years.

1409
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:23,720
So that was it.

1410
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,199
There was nothing more to say.

1411
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:26,760
When you compose such a song,

1412
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,880
I don't know if you remember where you wrote it
or when you got the idea.

1413
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,039
After you've written something, what do you do?

1414
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:35,399
Are you singing to someone?

1415
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:36,720
You say to Patti:

1416
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,960
"I just wrote something.
I want you to listen."

1417
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:40,960
Who are you singing to?

1418
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:43,640
Or are you recording it?

1419
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,279
Yes. Sometimes I sing to Patti.

1420
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:48,439
I also sing to John, of course.

1421
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,159
Eventually, John hears.

1422
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:55,159
He's my first listener, he's with the Pats.

1423
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:57,600
My first audience

1424
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:03,279
that's what brought us together initially.

1425
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:08,319
John was my first fan, you know?

1426
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:09,399
Yes.

1427
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,840
So often...

1428
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,800
If he likes it, and I like it too,

1429
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,600
it means we found something.

1430
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,560
Then I send it to the band.

1431
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,279
When John wrote,
we saw the future of rock and roll

1432
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:27,000
- and it was about you.
- Yes.

1433
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:29,399
I think you're saying to yourself, "This guy gets me.

1434
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,399
Maybe I'll sing him a few
songs to see if..."

1435
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,000
He was also amazing with Clarence,
even with the saxophone.

1436
01:22:35,079 --> 01:22:38,199
It is a difficult instrument,
in my opinion. I'm not a musician, but...

1437
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:41,039
- It is.
- Put this on rock and roll albums,

1438
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,199
it seemed like an act of courage.

1439
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,279
Most of the time,
I don't like the saxophone.

1440
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:48,000
- I like...
- Many people don't like trumpets.

1441
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:50,600
Yes. Yes. You made them go, didn't you?

1442
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,159
- I don't know why.
- I know why.

1443
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,800
Maybe because it's hard
put them in a rock song.

1444
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,439
- I know what I had to ask you.
- Yes.

1445
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,439
When you were looking for a drummer.

1446
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,039
- Yes.
- And Max Weinberg,

1447
01:23:02,119 --> 01:23:06,119
he ended up being your man, you gave
an ad in the newspaper and you said:

1448
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:10,600
"Drummers like Ginger Baker
to refrain."

1449
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,800
- Correct.
- I'm a big fan of Ginger Baker.

1450
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,640
- I think he's one of the best.
- Me too.

1451
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,600
- One of the best drummers.
- Yes.

1452
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,000
Maybe one of the best
five in history.

1453
01:23:20,079 --> 01:23:21,199
- Absolutely.
- Yes.

1454
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:22,439
Why did you refuse?

1455
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,520
Wouldn't it be great to have a Ginger Baker?

1456
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:25,880
- No.
- What were you trying to do... Why?

1457
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,319
You wanted a guy who wouldn't stand out

1458
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:29,720
and not to do solos.

1459
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,840
What I did was just a small hint
about the genre of music

1460
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,880
which we didn't sing then.

1461
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,239
- Yes.
- So I wasn't singing something like...

1462
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:44,439
It wasn't a heavy sounding band,

1463
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,680
the kind of band that depended a lot…

1464
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,640
- I understand.
- ...of individual experience.

1465
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,319
We were creating a band that was a mix between

1466
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:04,000
Elvis' or Buddy Holly's band
and that of James Brown.

1467
01:24:04,079 --> 01:24:07,560
I wanted people to come
and sing as a team,

1468
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:13,399
in which to subordinate your ego
for the overall project

1469
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,039
to create a unified sound.

1470
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:17,560
So I was saying:

1471
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,399
"If you come with two bass drums,
you can't enter."

1472
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,960
To be in the band,
you must be a tough musician.

1473
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:27,760
From what I've read, I don't know if it's true,

1474
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,520
but Clarence, for the saxophone solo
from Jungleland,

1475
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,840
you held it for 16 hours.

1476
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,199
- Yes.
- Working hard on that sound.

1477
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:37,880
- You wanted it just right.
- That's right.

1478
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,720
Many would have given up, right?

1479
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,000
And he would say, "Screw it.
It's too much for me."

1480
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:45,680
You have to find people
who have nowhere to go.

1481
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,960
That's the first thing.

1482
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:50,279
It's the first important thing

1483
01:24:50,359 --> 01:24:51,920
when you form your band.

1484
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,920
Don't look for people who have options.

1485
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,520
Find people who don't have options.

1486
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:00,800
<i>Have you seen The Beatles: Get Back,
how did they compose?</i>

1487
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,359
- Did you see?
- No. But I saw part of it.

1488
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,960
I saw him. I was fascinated
because I'm not a composer.

1489
01:25:06,039 --> 01:25:09,439
I wonder...
They looked like they had been in the studio for a long time.

1490
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,279
- They rehearsed a lot.
- Yes.

1491
01:25:11,359 --> 01:25:12,640
And that costs a lot.

1492
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,479
repeat everything,

1493
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,000
then you enter the studio
and do you record fast?

1494
01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:21,159
If Clarence stayed in the studio for 16 hours...

1495
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:24,560
I didn't do that. I didn't repeat everything
and I didn't register quickly.

1496
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:27,880
That was part of the problem,

1497
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,000
I spent many hours in the studio.

1498
01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:32,760
Sometimes we work on arrangements,

1499
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,159
and Steve and I were working together
to the arrangements.

1500
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:37,920
And the band had their opinions.

1501
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:43,000
I spent many days on one song.

1502
01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:45,800
In the late 70s and 80s.

1503
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:52,000
And I threw away all the money I had
in recording studios.

1504
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:56,680
In 1982, I had about $20,000
in my name.

1505
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,439
I was 32 years old.
I had sold millions of records,

1506
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,239
I had appeared on the cover of Time and Newsweek.

1507
01:26:02,319 --> 01:26:07,279
But I spent all my money in the studio
or lost them in bad business.

1508
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:13,600
But later, now, we don't do that anymore.

1509
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,159
But at that moment

1510
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,840
I didn't know where I was going.

1511
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,359
The Jungleland solo was a guitar solo.

1512
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:24,560
I was singing the song out loud,

1513
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,039
I remember a guitar solo.

1514
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:31,079
I didn't know there was going to be a saxophone solo
until I took it to the studio,

1515
01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:34,000
I reviewed it and someone said:

1516
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:36,680
"Hey, maybe I should
let's use a sax here."

1517
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,800
Then Clarence began
to play the saxophone.

1518
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,840
I sang for 16 hours.

1519
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,920
Then I had to sit at the desk,
and Clarence was standing over my shoulder.

1520
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,239
And we were going from one track to another,

1521
01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:55,119
over six, seven or eight tracks,
working on the song.

1522
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:02,880
It didn't take long either. I was doing...

1523
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:04,560
Change.

1524
01:27:06,359 --> 01:27:07,279
Change.

1525
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:10,399
Change.

1526
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:14,079
And so that solo was created.

1527
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:17,399
That's why you kept telling him to change.

1528
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:22,159
Piece by piece, piece by piece,
until it became the solo

1529
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:23,640
that the world knows.

1530
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,119
You were sitting in the studio saying:
"Change, change."

1531
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:28,880
I could hear: "What the hell did he do?"
Bruce, how about we switch?"

1532
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,239
But keep going, changing the tonality.

1533
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,720
Did the band think you were crazy?

1534
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,960
Because you were so obsessed
when you spent 16 hours in the studio.

1535
01:27:39,039 --> 01:27:40,840
Leave the band!

1536
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,680
- We were kids, you know?
- Yes.

1537
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:47,399
We were children. I was 24 years old
when we recorded Jungleland,

1538
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,520
maximum 25.

1539
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,920
Everyone was happy to be there.

1540
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,119
I was in a studio. God!

1541
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,239
We were very lucky.

1542
01:27:57,319 --> 01:27:59,600
Where were you when you did the piano intro?

1543
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,439
- Did you hear Charlie Puth sing it?
- He sings very well.

1544
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,800
And the funny thing
it's that I can't sing it anymore.

1545
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,199
- I wrote it. Not.
- Can't you?

1546
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:08,119
What do you mean you can't sing it anymore?

1547
01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:10,319
I don't remember.
I don't remember how I did it.

1548
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:13,920
I mean you don't remember how...

1549
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,840
No. I can't sing it all anymore.

1550
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,439
I can sing Backstreets,
I bet Let me see!

1551
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,960
I wrote most of it
from "Born to Run" on piano,

1552
01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:43,079
that's why the whole album was written

1553
01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:45,680
to my aunt's little piano.

1554
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,880
- Wow!
- That's why all the songs have...

1555
01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:11,600
<i>The door slams,
Mary's dress swing</i>ing

1556
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:20,439
<i>Like a vision, she dances
On the porch while the radio plays</i>

1557
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,159
Roy Orbison sings for the lonely

1558
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,239
Hey, it's me and I only want you

1559
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,000
Don't send me home again

1560
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:36,439
I can't see myself alone again

1561
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,840
Everything is written on the piano. do you know

1562
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,479
Don't run back inside, honey

1563
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,079
You know exactly why I came

1564
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:53,840
<i>You are scared and thinking
That maybe we're not so young</i> anymore

1565
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,840
Believe it or not, there's magic in the night

1566
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:03,119
You're not a beauty, but you're okay

1567
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:09,239
I don't mind

1568
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:15,359
<i>Hide under the covers
And study your pain</i>

1569
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:21,600
<i>Make crosses for your lovers
Throw roses in the rain</i>

1570
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,039
Waste your summer praying in vain

1571
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:29,520
<i>For a savior to rise
From these streets</i>

1572
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,920
I'm no hero, that's for sure

1573
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:40,199
<i>The salvation I can offer lies
Under this dirty</i>hood

1574
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,840
And with the chance to do something good

1575
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,479
What else can we do now?

1576
01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:54,560
<i>Let's just open the window
And let the wind blow your tresses

1577
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:02,880
<i>The night is hard
These two lanes will take us everywhere</i>

1578
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,840
<i>It's the last chance to transform
In reality</i>

1579
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:13,119
Let's change the fenders on some wheels

1580
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:19,520
Get in the back, heaven awaits you on the rails

1581
01:31:22,199 --> 01:31:25,439
come and take my hand

1582
01:31:26,079 --> 01:31:30,479
<i>Tonight we set off
In search of the Promised Land</i>

1583
01:31:31,319 --> 01:31:37,720
Road of Thunder, Road of Thunder

1584
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,960
It sits there like a killer in the sun

1585
01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:46,640
<i>Hey, I know it's late,
But we can get there if we run

1586
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,039
Oh, oh, Thunder Road

1587
01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:54,720
Hold on tight

1588
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,399
The Road of Thunder

1589
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,239
Everything was written on the piano.

1590
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:03,960
You made me cry live.
It's the first time.

1591
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:07,359
- Wow!
- Everything was written on the piano.

1592
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,199
And all the little intros and the intro
sea from Jungleland,

1593
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:11,680
I wrote them on the piano.

1594
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,520
But why that piano,
the one in your aunt's house?

1595
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,399
- There was a certain sound that...
- No, she gave it to me.

1596
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,640
I put him in a van
and I took him to the little house

1597
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,520
- ...in which I was sitting.
- Wow!

1598
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,600
I had my aunt's piano

1599
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,079
in the front room
of a rented house.

1600
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:33,439
And those were my keys.
They were the only keys I had.

1601
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,199
Do you ever tell yourself that
is this the best song you've written?

1602
01:32:36,279 --> 01:32:38,840
Is there a song that sticks in your mind?
and about which you speak

1603
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,800
"Is this the best song I've ever written?"

1604
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,359
You never know.

1605
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,199
Sometimes I like the newest ones.

1606
01:32:46,079 --> 01:32:48,840
I have many songs.

1607
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:50,000
What songs do I like?

1608
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,319
I like it
"Darkness on the Edge of Town".

1609
01:32:52,399 --> 01:32:54,880
- Yes.
- I like "Born to Run".

1610
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,159
It's a good song.

1611
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:58,239
"Born in the USA" is a good song.

1612
01:32:58,319 --> 01:33:01,560
- Yes.
- "Thunder Road".

1613
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,079
I have to put it there.

1614
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,800
<i>The album Nebraska has
on it the song "Nebraska".</i>

1615
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,000
I love that song.

1616
01:33:09,079 --> 01:33:13,760
I like many songs on Letter to You.

1617
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,760
The whole album was composed well.

1618
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,000
you know "Rising".

1619
01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:23,199
- "Rising" was a good song.
- "Rising".

1620
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:24,479
Back to the guitar.

1621
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:27,720
What did you think of "The Rising"?

1622
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,800
What comes to mind?

1623
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,359
When someone says to you, "Bruce,
I like the song "The Rising".

1624
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,600
- Yes.
- What are you thinking?

1625
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,479
It was strange.

1626
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,640
On September 11, I was on a beach.

1627
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:49,079
I was on a beach

1628
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:52,920
from where you can see well
south of manhattan.

1629
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,439
- And...
- Do you have a beach house?

1630
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,439
No, it's a club I've been to

1631
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,239
that day, you know?

1632
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:08,159
You could see Manhattan very well.

1633
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:11,520
You could see the World Trade Center.

1634
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,960
I was like everyone else.
I was in shock.

1635
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:18,319
I was returning home.

1636
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,600
When I got out, a guy yelled

1637
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,319
on the car window: "Bruce,
we need you!"

1638
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,520
- And you were...
- You know...

1639
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,840
- Yes.
- I didn't know what to do.

1640
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,880
But I went home and...

1641
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,399
You mean immediately? Are you going home from...

1642
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,520
I see Bruce Springsteen
at a beach club.

1643
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,119
I don't know the name of the club.

1644
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:46,760
I don't know where he is. What the hell?

1645
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,520
Do you run in your underwear?

1646
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,720
- I mean, what...?
- Exactly.

1647
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:50,720
Yes, sure.

1648
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,880
But when someone says to you, "Hey, Bruce,"

1649
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,760
it's like you're Superman in New Jersey.

1650
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,840
Suddenly: "Bruce,
we need you."

1651
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,560
But you took this to heart.

1652
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,680
And what did you do?
Did you get home and start writing?

1653
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:07,119
Because you don't write music, right?
You don't know the notes.

1654
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:09,359
I don't write music.
I open a notebook and...

1655
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:15,880
I mean, you felt so helpless

1656
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:20,039
before the events of that day.

1657
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:23,439
But at some point
in the next week

1658
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,399
I remember picking up the guitar.

1659
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,479
Maybe I was stupid
to some agreements,

1660
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,039
but...

1661
01:35:31,119 --> 01:35:33,239
I can't see anything ahead

1662
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,600
I can't see anything behind

1663
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,479
Making my way through the dark

1664
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,000
I feel only this chain that binds me

1665
01:35:51,039 --> 01:35:53,399
I don't know how far I've come

1666
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,600
<i>How far we've come
Or how high we</i>climbed

1667
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,840
I have a 25 kg stone behind me

1668
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,199
On the shoulder, a kilometer of rope

1669
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,399
Come up to rebirth

1670
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:19,159
Come up, put your hands in mine

1671
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,479
Come up to rebirth

1672
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,039
Come up to rebirth tonight

1673
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,800
I left the house this morning

1674
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,560
Ring the bells in the air

1675
01:36:37,159 --> 01:36:39,640
Carrying the cross of my calling

1676
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:44,640
On wheels of fire, I come rolling here

1677
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,319
Come up to rebirth

1678
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,000
Come up, put your hands in mine

1679
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:56,680
Come up to rebirth

1680
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,960
Come up to rebirth tonight

1681
01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:04,920
Hey, la, la, la

1682
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,399
La, la, la

1683
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:12,439
Spirits in the air and behind me

1684
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,000
<i>Disappearing faces,
Black eyes burning strong</i>

1685
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:20,560
They made their precious blood bind me

1686
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:26,159
<i>Lord, when I stand before
Your lights lit</i>

1687
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,039
La, la, la

1688
01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:35,720
La, la, la

1689
01:37:40,359 --> 01:37:42,920
I see you, Maria, in the garden

1690
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,560
In the garden of a thousand sighs

1691
01:37:49,079 --> 01:37:51,520
They are holy photographs of our children

1692
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:56,279
Dancing in the sky full of light

1693
01:37:58,199 --> 01:38:00,560
I can feel your arms around me

1694
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,399
<i>I can feel your blood
how it mixes with mine</i>

1695
01:38:07,159 --> 01:38:09,399
A dream about life comes to me

1696
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,319
Like a catfish dancing at the end of my line

1697
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,159
Dark and sad sky

1698
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,119
A dream about life

1699
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,560
Sky of love, sky of tears

1700
01:38:24,079 --> 01:38:25,279
A dream about life

1701
01:38:26,079 --> 01:38:28,720
Heaven of glory and sorrow

1702
01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:30,760
A dream about life

1703
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,039
Sky of mercy, sky of fear

1704
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:35,920
A dream about life

1705
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:38,840
Sky of memory and shadow

1706
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,159
A dream about life

1707
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,560
Your hot wind fills my arms

1708
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,720
Sky of longing and emptiness

1709
01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:50,760
A dream about life

1710
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,439
Full sky, sky blessed life

1711
01:38:56,039 --> 01:38:58,880
Come up to rebirth

1712
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:02,640
Come up, put your hands in mine

1713
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,359
Come up to rebirth

1714
01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:11,000
Come up to rebirth

1715
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:19,199
La, la, la

1716
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:23,800
A dream about life

1717
01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:28,159
A dream about life

1718
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:32,039
I dream about life

1719
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:40,079
- It's a prayer, you know? It's a prayer.
- It's magnificent.

1720
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:43,199
- Do you know? And...
- What a magnificent performance!

1721
01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:46,680
Your voice is even stronger.

1722
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,239
- It's a blessing.
- Thank you.

1723
01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:52,439
Are you worried about your voice, hands, body?

1724
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,039
- Yes.
- Not everyone can keep this voice.

1725
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:58,079
Yes, I was very lucky with my voice.

1726
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,439
My voice has gotten better with age.

1727
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,640
I never smoked and never drank much.

1728
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,039
- I think that helps.
- It's magnificent.

1729
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:08,159
You know, and...

1730
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:11,279
Sometimes I worry about you
because when you do a show

1731
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:12,640
live, you expose yourself.

1732
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,319
- Have you been to singing lessons?
- No.

1733
01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:17,239
Not. You let him go.
That's rock and roll.

1734
01:40:17,319 --> 01:40:20,159
I was lucky
that for one reason or another

1735
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:21,359
I sang correctly.

1736
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:23,560
- Why? I don't know. do you know
- Wow!

1737
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,920
But I had

1738
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:32,239
a healthy natural technique.

1739
01:40:32,319 --> 01:40:34,439
And I can sing like I sing…

1740
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,680
It sounds like I'm singing really loud.

1741
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,319
Up there

1742
01:40:40,399 --> 01:40:43,359
I want to tell you how it will be

1743
01:40:45,279 --> 01:40:48,079
You will give me your love

1744
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,800
I will love you day and night

1745
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,600
True love, not faded

1746
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,159
So that I can sing like that

1747
01:41:01,239 --> 01:41:04,119
- Your guitar...
- I seem to be doing my best.

1748
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:07,439
And hearing?
Did rock and roll ruin it for you?

1749
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,159
Yes, it's bad.

1750
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,600
- Is it bad?
- Yes, I will use hearing aids.

1751
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,199
- Yes?
- Oh, yes! Yes.

1752
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:18,119
Patti said to me, "Hey, man. Not me
are you listening

1753
01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:20,920
Or do you hear a word of what I say?"

1754
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,800
- God!
- And I: "Honey, I listen to you!"

1755
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,119
"Get your hearing aid!"

1756
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,199
Do you ever take out your hearing aid?
and you say: "Enough"?

1757
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:33,239
No, I can't do that.

1758
01:41:33,319 --> 01:41:37,279
I wear it when I stay at home.
I wear them and they help me a lot.

1759
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:42,199
When you play guitar, you get

1760
01:41:42,279 --> 01:41:45,239
a very clear sound.

1761
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:48,239
In other words, I don't hear faded notes.

1762
01:41:48,319 --> 01:41:50,119
- No.
- Do you know?

1763
01:41:50,199 --> 01:41:52,920
I hear a clarity when you play the guitar.

1764
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,199
You consider yourself a good guitarist

1765
01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:58,000
- ...or an exceptional guitarist?
- Yes, I'm a good guitar player.

1766
01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:00,840
in fact
playing the guitar is underrated.

1767
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,760
- But it's true, isn't it?
- Yes, I started

1768
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:09,960
playing the guitar.

1769
01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:12,479
At first I was a solo guitarist.
That's what I was doing originally.

1770
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:16,479
In my area,
that's how I made a living.

1771
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,960
Otherwise, I wouldn't have survived.

1772
01:42:19,039 --> 01:42:22,000
How did you...
Did you record in the studio?

1773
01:42:22,079 --> 01:42:23,800
- No, just...
- You used to sing with bands.

1774
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,880
We were heating up the atmosphere
and people came and paid

1775
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,119
a few dollars at the entrance to see me.

1776
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:31,079
So I was totally involved.

1777
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,680
- In playing the guitar?
- Yes. I was passionate about it.

1778
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,079
- Wow!
- In adolescence and around 20 years old.

1779
01:42:37,159 --> 01:42:43,319
I sang a lot too
Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton.

1780
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:48,399
- And a little Jimi Hendrix.
- Much, much!

1781
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,880
So, yes, I…

1782
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,239
Playing the guitar...
I had to have surgery on my neck.

1783
01:42:57,319 --> 01:43:01,439
And because, slowly over the years,

1784
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,840
I started to notice
that my fingers were numb.

1785
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,600
- Yes.
- And my arm hurt.

1786
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,840
- And...
- I think you panicked.

1787
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,000
A real nightmare.

1788
01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:11,640
I went on stage and,

1789
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:15,560
in one of the last tournaments,
I realized that,

1790
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,399
after I finished half
or three quarters of a solo,

1791
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,840
my fingers were suddenly tired.

1792
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,039
I said: "This is not possible!"

1793
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:28,520
I had C4, C5 or something...

1794
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,840
It was kind of sinister,
they were basically slitting your throat.

1795
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:38,079
I open you
ties your vocal cords to one side.

1796
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:39,720
It's dangerous in your industry.

1797
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,479
And you can't sing for three months.

1798
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:43,680
Oh no!

1799
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,600
So I came home.
I didn't sing for three months.

1800
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,680
Then I went to the garage,
i got a guitar and...

1801
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:53,880
what did you sing
You haven't played in three months.

1802
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:57,359
- What were you singing when it happened?
- "Darkness on the Edge of Town".

1803
01:43:58,239 --> 01:43:59,319
It fits.

1804
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:01,640
You know...

1805
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,640
- I would have liked to be there.
- Yes, I was in Florida.

1806
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,880
It was in my little... I have a little garage.

1807
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,319
- Yes.
- And I wondered if I could sing.

1808
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:21,600
So...
They still race at Trestles

1809
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,439
That's in my average range.

1810
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:25,800
I can handle it.

1811
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,640
<i>That blood never burned him
Through the veins

1812
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,239
He has a house in Fairview

1813
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,640
<i>And he wants to see me
It was pretty good.</i>

1814
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:39,079
You can tell him I'm easy to find.

1815
01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:42,479
It's dark on the outskirts of town

1816
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,159
But when I get to the end...

1817
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:49,800
On the edge of town

1818
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,319
When I got to this note,
I said, "I'll be fine."

1819
01:44:52,399 --> 01:44:53,479
It's great.

1820
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,960
When you went through it with your hands,

1821
01:44:56,039 --> 01:44:58,359
you were supposed to play with the Rolling Stones.

1822
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:59,960
I think that upset you,

1823
01:45:00,039 --> 01:45:02,960
in the sense that you wanted to be
Bruce Springsteen at full capacity.

1824
01:45:03,039 --> 01:45:05,159
- Sure. Yes.
- What did you do with the Rolling Stones?

1825
01:45:05,239 --> 01:45:07,079
- I sang "Tumbling Dice".
- Beautiful.

1826
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:10,079
"Tumbling Dice" with Mick.
It was great. I felt great.

1827
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,920
Yes. But when you worry about your hands,

1828
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,239
it must be stressful.

1829
01:45:14,319 --> 01:45:16,000
This guy... I thought about you.

1830
01:45:16,079 --> 01:45:18,880
- Tom Morello, who I'm a fan of.
- Incredible.

1831
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:21,199
I like it when you sing
"The Ghost of Tom Joad".

1832
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:25,600
It's fantastic. And I really admire him.
I like him a lot.

1833
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:30,119
And you seem to have a lot of energy.
He's a guy who can sing.

1834
01:45:30,199 --> 01:45:32,279
- Yes.
- And when you sing together,

1835
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:35,239
looks like you're having a great time.

1836
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:40,000
Yes. Tom and I have a kind of
brain fusion. We are...

1837
01:45:40,079 --> 01:45:43,119
Besides the fact that it is
an incredible musician, he's an amazing guy.

1838
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:45,079
She is an amazing person.

1839
01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:51,159
And he would come to the shows with my sister, Pam.

1840
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,279
I said, "It's Rage Against the Machine.
It's great."

1841
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:56,800
And we met.
And I said, "I don't know where we're going to…

1842
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,479
If we're going to cross paths musically somewhere."

1843
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,079
But one evening I said to him:

1844
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,199
"Come to the sound check
and let's sing!"

1845
01:46:06,279 --> 01:46:07,479
- Is that how it's done?
- Yes.

1846
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,800
Sometimes you say, "Come to the sound check."

1847
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,640
- Yes.
- But you check them.

1848
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,920
I make them come and say:
"Let's see if we can find a solution."

1849
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:19,439
And I ended up with an explosive version
of "Ghost of Tom Joad".

1850
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:24,159
He sang till the end,
and it was beastly.

1851
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:29,800
And I was in Los Angeles
and it was epic, you know?

1852
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:31,880
He's a legendary guitarist.

1853
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:37,119
I always considered them
on the Traveling Wilburys a supergroup.

1854
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:39,119
- All these...
- Yes. Great, yes!

1855
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:41,640
wonderful music,
a fantastic mix of voices.

1856
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,000
- Roy Orbison, one of your heroes.
- Yes.

1857
01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:48,159
Do you ever say to yourself:
"Before I die, why don't I…

1858
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:53,159
If I were to form a supergroup,
maybe I'd take Tom Morello.

1859
01:46:53,239 --> 01:46:55,479
I don't know. Billy Joel!

1860
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,399
I don't know with whom
and I'd make an album."

1861
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,279
Have you thought about it?

1862
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:02,680
Or have you ever been in a room
with other artists

1863
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,880
and you improvised and something good came out
from this?

1864
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,079
Who did I have fun singing with?

1865
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:13,640
John Fogerty. I love singing with John.
And we sing very well together.

1866
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:15,640
Tom, of course, Tom Morello.

1867
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,479
How about we make a record in which to
we compose together

1868
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,880
and something... You know...

1869
01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:27,800
To be a louder sounding disc?

1870
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,039
- Yes.
- It could be fun.

1871
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:33,840
I sang with Neil Young on stage.
I love to sing with him.

1872
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,279
We sing very well together.

1873
01:47:35,359 --> 01:47:38,560
- Here's a guy you probably admire.
- Yes. I love Neil. Yes.

1874
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,359
He's as prolific as you.

1875
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:43,520
I think you are even more prolific
in terms of albums.

1876
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,920
He makes many albums and writes many songs.

1877
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,479
But he's like you in that...

1878
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,960
It's the Kent State tragedy.
Four dead in Ohio.

1879
01:47:52,039 --> 01:47:56,680
He goes to the forest for 20 minutes,
returns with a very important song.

1880
01:47:56,760 --> 01:48:00,880
Kind of like you with The Rising.

1881
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:04,039
Yes, it's...

1882
01:48:04,119 --> 01:48:09,720
You do what you can. Write what you can.

1883
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:10,720
And...

1884
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,399
You go home and say:
"I have something to say about…

1885
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:20,520
It is possible, in the case of 9/11,

1886
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,560
shall we say something about it?"

1887
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,880
- Yes.
- And it's... I don't know...

1888
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:31,800
That's why I wrote a prayer.

1889
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,960
The only thing I could think of...
All I know how to do now is pray.

1890
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:41,239
And that was...

1891
01:48:41,319 --> 01:48:43,800
The whole album is in this category.

1892
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,960
But especially that song,

1893
01:48:46,039 --> 01:48:52,319
which is probably one of the best
my songs from the last 30 years.

1894
01:48:52,399 --> 01:48:54,359
It's simply...

1895
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,199
When you can write them, you're lucky.

1896
01:48:58,279 --> 01:49:00,399
- It's always about luck.
- Yes?

1897
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,720
It's your skill, your talent,
you have invested many years.

1898
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,279
You know how to compose a piece of music.

1899
01:49:06,359 --> 01:49:07,560
But at the same time

1900
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:10,880
something always happens that you don't understand.

1901
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,119
Every good song has a secret ingredient

1902
01:49:14,199 --> 01:49:18,079
and you don't understand how you composed it.

1903
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,479
If you know, it's...

1904
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,159
That's why I say, "I don't know if I will."

1905
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:25,800
"Are you going to write again?" Who knows? I don't know.

1906
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,199
It's magical.

1907
01:49:27,279 --> 01:49:29,840
Is there a song of yours that you have a hard time with?

1908
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,560
play it on the guitar and what does it give you
are you confused?

1909
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,439
To which you say, "I'll do that,
but it's hard for me"?

1910
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,520
My songs are easy to play.

1911
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,319
- Is that true?
- My music is composed of four chords.

1912
01:49:43,399 --> 01:49:45,640
How do you say it? Four chords and the truth.

1913
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,760
That's what they say about rock and roll,
about country or folk music.

1914
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:52,960
All my creations are like that.

1915
01:49:53,039 --> 01:49:58,199
I make up various chords and things
as in "Born in the USA".

1916
01:49:58,279 --> 01:50:02,119
When I sing alone, I have many chords.

1917
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:07,039
But I have nothing complicated
for a guitarist to hear

1918
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:11,199
and ask, "How did he do that?"

1919
01:50:11,279 --> 01:50:15,560
You heard that Keith Richards
says he pulls out the 6th string…

1920
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,479
- Yes.
- Yes. It's weird.

1921
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,640
You do this. sit in a room,

1922
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,960
you play that instrument
and reinvent it.

1923
01:50:22,039 --> 01:50:26,880
Yes. Yes, it's a great tuning.
Five string tuning is great.

1924
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,479
Many use it. And he uses it.

1925
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,359
I can't do it with this guitar.
I need the other one.

1926
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:38,880
That's how you get the sharp chords
of the Rolling Stones.

1927
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,520
- What were you trying to sing there?
- "Start Me Up".

1928
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:44,359
That's it.

1929
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,000
- He's a master of improvisation, isn't he?
- Yes.

1930
01:50:49,079 --> 01:50:51,319
- There is someone... Did you meet him?
- Of course.

1931
01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:54,520
And could you go out with him?

1932
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,520
If I stayed with you
and i would be keith richards

1933
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,319
you would intentionally avoid
talk about music?

1934
01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:02,680
I'm not going to say, "Keith,
let's sing 'Start Me Up'."

1935
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,199
No, but would you ever say:

1936
01:51:04,279 --> 01:51:06,880
"Let's get the guitars out and play
just for fun?"

1937
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,039
Probably not.

1938
01:51:08,119 --> 01:51:11,720
Not? Why? In other words,
if i met some dj's

1939
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,880
we wouldn't take out the microphones to talk.

1940
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,399
- Because it's about work?
- Exactly. do you know

1941
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:20,159
- That would be unusual, wouldn't it?
- Yes.

1942
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,359
How is a night at your house?

1943
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,439
If someone comes...
Do you and Patti have guests?

1944
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,760
Do people come to you often?

1945
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:32,000
- Why is it funny?
- We... We have a big family.

1946
01:51:32,079 --> 01:51:35,760
When we moved back to New Jersey,
I lived in LA for about six years,

1947
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:38,000
then I went back to Jersey,
I returned home.

1948
01:51:38,079 --> 01:51:42,199
I had about 80 relatives,
an Irish-Italian family.

1949
01:51:42,279 --> 01:51:44,439
- And...
- Did you hate Los Angeles?

1950
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:48,159
No, I liked it. I like it.
I like Los Angeles very much.

1951
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:51,359
I had a great house there,
I had motorcycles.

1952
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,239
I was riding a motorcycle in the Forest
Saint Angeles National

1953
01:51:55,319 --> 01:51:57,840
and in the Mojave Desert.

1954
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:02,079
- Do you still ride a motorcycle?
- Yes, but not as often as before.

1955
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:04,079
Aren't you afraid?

1956
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaking of Billy,
he told me that he had a motorcycle accident.

1957
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,000
He says, "I couldn't feel my thumb."

1958
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:12,159
I'm like, "Man, think about your career!
Protect yourself!"

1959
01:52:12,239 --> 01:52:17,760
I was lucky.
I had a bad accident when I was 18.

1960
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,720
I was very lucky,
because I should have been dead.

1961
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,159
- Really?
- Yes. I had no helmet, nothing.

1962
01:52:23,239 --> 01:52:26,720
- And I got hit by a Cadillac.
- Beautiful.

1963
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:30,800
I flew off the motorcycle,
i landed on the road

1964
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,880
I hit my head and passed out
about 45 minutes.

1965
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,199
- Wow!
- I had a brain contusion.

1966
01:52:36,279 --> 01:52:40,640
But I was very lucky to survive.

1967
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:43,399
I could very easily die.

1968
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:47,399
After that, I stopped for about ten years,
then i started again.

1969
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:51,279
And I walked until... I'm still walking,
but not too much.

1970
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:55,000
- Maybe I'm just getting old.
- You like it. Is it a hobby?

1971
01:52:55,079 --> 01:52:57,840
I like it a lot. It was a hobby of mine.
Now it's not like that anymore.

1972
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,920
Did you tell me what hobbies you have?
What do you do besides music?

1973
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,199
- How do you spend your day?
- I like to take pictures.

1974
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:09,840
But most of all I like to make music.
My hobby is music.

1975
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,279
Yes. Disobey! And you know it.

1976
01:53:12,359 --> 01:53:18,840
Yes. It's like I'm partying
whole days recording.

1977
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,439
- I like it.
- You have a studio at home.

1978
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,159
I have a studio at home.

1979
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:25,920
Are you bringing an engineer?

1980
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,399
I have an engineer working with me,
full time,

1981
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:30,479
and a producer.

1982
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,039
Because I'm constantly recording.

1983
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:36,600
Now, because I didn't have to write anymore,

1984
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,880
the last record I made is a cover
of some of my favorites.

1985
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,039
- We should talk about it.
- We can. You don't have to.

1986
01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:47,439
But it's a good album
and I don't have to write it,

1987
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:52,159
so i can collect songs and music

1988
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:56,359
and record to see
what catches and what doesn't.

1989
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,520
So I can make records.

1990
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,680
So I made that record
and since then I've been working on another one.

1991
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,359
My hobby is I still like to sing

1992
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:09,359
- ...and to make music.
- So the sound engineer is coming,

1993
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,560
stay in the studio at your home

1994
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,199
and you do what you want to do.

1995
01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:16,359
- That's right.
- The new album surprised me.

1996
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:20,000
You're a Commodores fan.
I didn't think you were a Lionel Richie fan.

1997
01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:23,479
Probably this album
it brings you joy.

1998
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,479
People ask:
"What does Bruce Springsteen like?"

1999
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,000
These are the songs you like.

2000
01:54:28,079 --> 01:54:30,960
The Commodores had the hit…

2001
01:54:31,039 --> 01:54:34,119
That's the hit they had
after Lionel left.

2002
01:54:34,199 --> 01:54:35,680
- Yes.
- Lionel is leaving.

2003
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,680
And they have an immediate huge hit
after he leaves.

2004
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:42,479
- Maybe that's why you like it.
- But it's a great song.

2005
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,920
And it's a beautifully written song.

2006
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,520
The album... I think I have it here.

2007
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,319
I have many of your songs in front of me.

2008
01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:55,000
But this album, I should say,

2009
01:54:55,079 --> 01:54:57,880
Bruce Springsteen's new album,
Only the Strong Survive.

2010
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:58,960
There it is!

2011
01:54:59,039 --> 01:55:01,279
...will be available from
from November 11.

2012
01:55:01,359 --> 01:55:04,800
It's weird promoting a new album,
with this business, right?

2013
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,800
I don't know. Does it matter?

2014
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:12,680
I think it's something for
I have a large interested audience,

2015
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:18,119
fortunately, of what
it interests me

2016
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:22,000
But your job, as he said, like,
Marty Scorsese,

2017
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:27,439
"The artist's job is to make the public
to care about his obsessions."

2018
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,359
- Yes.
- You had to do that too.

2019
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:34,600
Your quote that inspired me

2020
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:36,399
it's the one where you say...

2021
01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:40,840
John Stewart introduced you
at the Kennedy Center Awards Gala.

2022
01:55:41,319 --> 01:55:44,479
I happened to like it that night.

2023
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,720
In the presentation they made,
you said something like:

2024
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:51,399
"My career has been a conversation
of a lifetime with the public."

2025
01:55:51,479 --> 01:55:53,319
- Sure.
- I said: "God!

2026
01:55:53,399 --> 01:55:56,840
It's a great way to... I don't have it
never thought of that."

2027
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:58,960
- Yes.
- But that's what I do.

2028
01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:02,560
- That's clearly what you're doing.
- That's what Bruce does.

2029
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,600
It's a nice way to look at things.

2030
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:09,399
It is, and evolution
of that conversation is essential…

2031
01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:15,520
What impressed me was your interview
from Rolling Stone, from 2019.

2032
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,159
It was...

2033
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:24,279
It was a telling and vulnerable interview.

2034
01:56:24,359 --> 01:56:28,640
And that's what it's all about:

2035
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,239
"You have to change.
You have to move forward

2036
01:56:32,319 --> 01:56:35,039
otherwise you won't have any more
what to tell the audience."

2037
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:38,760
What a new thing
or what new conversation

2038
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,199
will you be able to have the audience?

2039
01:56:41,279 --> 01:56:43,439
Which is hard, because,
in my field

2040
01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:46,600
when you get up
you know when you come off the street

2041
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,199
many friends are with you.

2042
01:56:48,279 --> 01:56:52,079
The biggest insult is:
"You've changed, man!"

2043
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:53,720
- I know.
- "You've changed!

2044
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,680
Why did you change?"

2045
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:59,920
And you say, "Yes,
but you haven't changed."

2046
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,479
I always wonder why you would listen

2047
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:05,720
a musician or a radio guy.

2048
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,600
Why would you listen to the same thing
endlessly?

2049
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,279
Don't you want to know that I've changed?

2050
01:57:10,359 --> 01:57:13,439
Then you have to accept
that the people who loved you

2051
01:57:14,359 --> 01:57:17,119
when you released a certain album,

2052
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:19,439
some of them will not be with you.

2053
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,680
Absolute. Some people came
to me when I made "Tunnel of Love".

2054
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,359
It was 1987. We're not talking about now.

2055
01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:28,920
They said: "Yes, I liked it when
you sang about cars and girls."

2056
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:30,039
Yes.

2057
01:57:30,119 --> 01:57:32,399
As soon as I started
to sing about relationships

2058
01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:34,720
"No. You lost me there."

2059
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:38,680
You go through your career and attract people,

2060
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:40,880
and some take it to the side.

2061
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,239
That's the nature of creativity.

2062
01:57:43,319 --> 01:57:45,319
Aren't you proud of yourself when you change?

2063
01:57:45,399 --> 01:57:47,039
Isn't it great when you can change

2064
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:50,720
and you can tell the audience:
"I managed to change.

2065
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,960
Look at you."

2066
01:57:53,039 --> 01:57:55,520
I wouldn't have had a life.
I wouldn't have had a life.

2067
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,720
I wouldn't have had children.
I wouldn't have had a life at home.

2068
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,960
Once upon a time when I was young
I thought it was romantic.

2069
01:58:02,039 --> 01:58:03,319
Yes.

2070
01:58:03,399 --> 01:58:06,960
As I got older,
I realized that maybe it isn't.

2071
01:58:07,039 --> 01:58:08,600
And...

2072
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:15,479
But I had to learn to change
enough that I can have these things.

2073
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,159
To have children and be their father,

2074
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:24,520
to be a responsible partner
and confident.

2075
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,760
There are things that

2076
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,720
especially for artists I guess...

2077
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,000
responsibility...

2078
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:36,960
- You grew up without laws.
- Yes.

2079
01:58:37,039 --> 01:58:41,279
Responsibility
it doesn't come naturally to you, you know?

2080
01:58:41,359 --> 01:58:44,319
Patti said to me: "Go on a motorcycle.

2081
01:58:44,399 --> 01:58:47,159
If you don't come home, call me."

2082
01:58:47,239 --> 01:58:50,640
I said:
"Should I call you? I'm not calling anyone."

2083
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,199
And it was like, "Oh, yeah.

2084
01:58:53,279 --> 01:58:56,279
I'm in a relationship and I'm not
dead on the side of the road.

2085
01:58:56,359 --> 01:58:59,439
- He wants to know I'm coming home."
- That you are fine.

2086
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:04,000
So I started with something
so rudimentary, to learn to be

2087
01:59:04,079 --> 01:59:07,800
responsive and responsible
towards someone from whom

2088
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:11,399
i was in love and who i hope
he loved me

2089
01:59:11,479 --> 01:59:16,239
- But then it was...
- Isn't it amazing that you didn't know?

2090
01:59:16,319 --> 01:59:19,079
You didn't know, I need to talk to my wife.

2091
01:59:19,159 --> 01:59:21,359
I didn't know. I was a fool. I didn't know.

2092
01:59:21,439 --> 01:59:24,159
That's how stupid I was.

2093
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,880
I look back and say, "Jesus Christ!"

2094
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,640
And that was it. I had nothing.

2095
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:32,680
you can be like this
but you can't have things and be like that.

2096
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:34,279
You will have nothing.

2097
01:59:34,359 --> 01:59:37,720
And you certainly couldn't have grown up
children to adapt

2098
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:41,680
if you had continued to make it all
about you rock star

2099
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,079
and draw all the attention to yourself.

2100
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:47,119
- You had to make your children stars..
- Yeah, you know, it's like...

2101
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:49,960
I always tell them...

2102
01:59:50,039 --> 01:59:53,359
The world asks, "What do your children think?
when do I come to the show?"

2103
01:59:53,439 --> 01:59:56,039
It's unnatural, I say.

2104
01:59:56,119 --> 02:00:01,039
The kids wouldn't care if 50,000
of people their parents would boo them.

2105
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:03,199
I would pay to see this.

2106
02:00:03,279 --> 02:00:08,079
But 50,000 people cheering for your parents?
What kid would want to see that?

2107
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,159
- No.
- Nobody, actually.

2108
02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:12,279
Have your kids talked to you about it?

2109
02:00:12,359 --> 02:00:14,960
They could say, "Father,
is it hard to be in your light?"

2110
02:00:15,039 --> 02:00:17,760
- Some did.
- Were they able to tell you that?

2111
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:19,439
Everyone reacted differently.

2112
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:22,560
It was harder for some children
than for others.

2113
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:27,399
My main thought was
not to bring this home

2114
02:00:27,479 --> 02:00:29,079
Don't bring this into the house.

2115
02:00:29,159 --> 02:00:31,840
- If he entered the house...
- But Bruce...

2116
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,479
I never brought this into the house.

2117
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:35,079
It's not a temptation

2118
02:00:35,159 --> 02:00:39,199
because we are all narcissists,
but did you get over it?

2119
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,119
"I want the children to see me on stage.

2120
02:00:42,199 --> 02:00:44,960
I want them to see me worshiped and…”

2121
02:00:45,039 --> 02:00:47,680
- Well, yes. do you know
- Yes.

2122
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,279
Until you know it

2123
02:00:50,359 --> 02:00:52,840
what is very important...
then yes you know

2124
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:55,359
but there are others who do this.

2125
02:00:55,439 --> 02:00:57,520
- I need dad.
- Yes.

2126
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:01,319
You realize that they...

2127
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,720
Your children will find their own heroes,
as it should

2128
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,920
as they should do
any current generation.

2129
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,600
They will find their own heroes.
They don't need any more heroes.

2130
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:18,159
They need you for things like:
"Take me to Johnny's house, man."

2131
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,640
Or: "Take me to get ice cream."

2132
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:22,800
They don't need another hero.

2133
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:26,239
And they certainly don't need to
for their parents to be their heroes.

2134
02:01:26,319 --> 02:01:32,560
Once you realize this,
which I did, of course...

2135
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:36,800
But you come out of a place where...

2136
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:40,439
The enormous narcissism that is needed
to do my job.

2137
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:44,960
And you have to develop,
to grow from it.

2138
02:01:45,039 --> 02:01:48,520
It was a huge burden and I still carry it,

2139
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:51,159
but patti is my lie detector.

2140
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:55,760
And he says, "Stop. Don't bring this into the house.

2141
02:01:56,439 --> 02:01:57,479
Don't do that."

2142
02:01:57,560 --> 02:01:59,359
- And I know one thing...
- Isn't that great?

2143
02:01:59,439 --> 02:02:05,680
Yes, and I know it is,
99.9% of the time he is right.

2144
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,039
If he says something, I listen.

2145
02:02:08,119 --> 02:02:12,479
I start to change my behavior,
to change what I'm doing.

2146
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:14,800
It's a blessing to have her.

2147
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,000
But they have to build their own
a life for it.

2148
02:02:18,079 --> 02:02:21,359
And you have to make room in your life
for these things.

2149
02:02:21,439 --> 02:02:26,880
And those who don't succeed
I don't survive.

2150
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:28,760
- No.
- It doesn't last long.

2151
02:02:30,279 --> 02:02:32,920
in my job

2152
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:38,000
there are many cases of people who don't
survived long enough to rebuild his life,

2153
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:42,680
a life worth living.

2154
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:45,920
It breaks my heart to see people

2155
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,960
who were not able
to give

2156
02:02:50,039 --> 02:02:55,039
so much that
"brought much joy to the world".

2157
02:02:55,119 --> 02:03:01,680
"I like my heroes old and fat,

2158
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,359
who live forever."

2159
02:03:04,439 --> 02:03:06,199
There is nothing glorious about it.

2160
02:03:06,279 --> 02:03:11,960
No, the rock-and-roll cult of death
it was a romantic idea,

2161
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:15,640
but it sucks when it comes to living.

2162
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:17,039
Is rock'n'roll dead?

2163
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:21,920
I'm glad you're still touring
and that you keep the tradition.

2164
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,319
It's amazing.

2165
02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:27,319
Not many guys do
at your level.

2166
02:03:27,399 --> 02:03:31,920
But it seems to me that rock
it kind of evolved, you know?

2167
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,000
It's not as important
for everyone.

2168
02:03:34,079 --> 02:03:36,520
For me, as a child,
there was nothing more important.

2169
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:41,439
Yes. I think the music had to
to divide the cultural arena

2170
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:44,760
with video games, movies, everything...

2171
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,119
All the rest, everything you can imagine.

2172
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:49,159
And this is happening today. do you know

2173
02:03:49,239 --> 02:03:52,319
You don't thank God
that you don't do it today, trying?

2174
02:03:52,399 --> 02:03:55,680
Yes. I have to admit. do you understand

2175
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:59,279
I said to Steve:
"We're old. Okay?"

2176
02:03:59,359 --> 02:04:03,479
We asserted ourselves in a golden age..."

2177
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,159
- Yes. Yes.
- "...from what we did."

2178
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:10,359
If you were young and played the guitar

2179
02:04:10,439 --> 02:04:16,079
in 1967, 1975, 1985,

2180
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:20,119
you appeared just when the whole business

2181
02:04:20,199 --> 02:04:23,439
turned into something that no one
he didn't think it would happen.

2182
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,000
We were like the paid baseball players.

2183
02:04:27,079 --> 02:04:31,640
Not like Mickey Mantle, who was incredible,

2184
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,520
but before you get paid.

2185
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:36,239
My first contract was...

2186
02:04:36,319 --> 02:04:41,119
One of the last contracts
where you don't get paid.

2187
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:43,520
I had ten year contracts like that.

2188
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:47,800
I've had that happen
until I couldn't anymore.

2189
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:49,520
But I was lucky.

2190
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,760
I came from the street

2191
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,159
we did the work and got paid. Know?

2192
02:04:55,239 --> 02:04:57,199
It's a blessing.

2193
02:04:57,279 --> 02:05:00,439
- But I wouldn't want to start now.
- No. It looks horrible.

2194
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:04,079
I don't know if you can create.

2195
02:05:05,439 --> 02:05:07,840
It's a different world. That's all.

2196
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,680
And it seems uncontrollable.

2197
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:12,079
At least we knew what to do.

2198
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:15,960
You were going on tour. You were releasing an album.
You played it on the radio if you could.

2199
02:05:16,039 --> 02:05:18,840
It was a way to be successful.

2200
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:22,279
Yes, that has changed now.
People still feel…

2201
02:05:22,359 --> 02:05:25,000
My daughter, absolute Taylor Swift fan.

2202
02:05:25,079 --> 02:05:27,039
I picked her up from the airport the other day.

2203
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:31,239
He says: "Father,
Taylor Swift has a crazy new album."

2204
02:05:31,319 --> 02:05:33,119
I say, "An insane new album."

2205
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:34,880
And he turns it up for me,

2206
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:38,399
from Newark to Colts Neck.

2207
02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:42,520
And she dances in her chair.
And I said, "That's what I want to see."

2208
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:44,760
- I felt good.
- How did you like the album?

2209
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:47,479
It was good. She is very talented.

2210
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:49,399
- Do you know her?
- A little.

2211
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:51,560
- Yes.
- She is an extraordinary composer.

2212
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:56,119
I know its producer very well,
Jack Antonoff.

2213
02:05:56,199 --> 02:05:58,920
He puts out great albums.

2214
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,880
Those people work hard,

2215
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:03,600
people are still putting out great albums.

2216
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:06,319
And people find much joy
in those albums.

2217
02:06:06,399 --> 02:06:09,399
This will continue.
It's just going to be different, you know?

2218
02:06:09,479 --> 02:06:10,520
And that's it.

2219
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:12,640
Bruce, here's something from your new album.

2220
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:13,840
- Really?
- Yes.

2221
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,479
Listen. Come on!

2222
02:06:17,319 --> 02:06:18,840
I will promote it.

2223
02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:20,960
- On WNBC!
- I like the way it sounds.

2224
02:06:21,039 --> 02:06:24,640
Yes. Bruce Springsteen's new album,
Only the Strong Survive.

2225
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:30,319
- That's how it goes.
- Yes, sure, 12 degrees outside.

2226
02:06:30,399 --> 02:06:31,600
I like it.

2227
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:34,159
Don't mind when the guys on the radio
am i talking over you

2228
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:37,199
- No. That's what I want to hear.
- I'm talking over your music. Serious?

2229
02:06:37,279 --> 02:06:39,000
- Do you like to be praised?
- Yes!

2230
02:06:39,079 --> 02:06:41,640
- I'm coming to you.
- And then, boom!

2231
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:42,760
Look at him coming.

2232
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:47,600
The voice sounds very good.

2233
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:51,399
I worked hard to sing on this album,

2234
02:06:51,479 --> 02:06:55,239
because I could choose music
which I sing well

2235
02:06:55,319 --> 02:06:57,600
- ...instead of going the other way.
- Correct.

2236
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:00,880
It's a very beautiful song.

2237
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:02,319
very nice

2238
02:07:02,399 --> 02:07:05,119
The composers were incredible.

2239
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:07,399
When you choose songs
for such an album,

2240
02:07:07,479 --> 02:07:09,840
in which you will sing other people's songs,

2241
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:13,079
how can I say, I can tell right away
that these are.

2242
02:07:13,159 --> 02:07:16,199
I did a whole album like that
and I threw it away.

2243
02:07:16,279 --> 02:07:17,680
- Really?
- Yes. I did...

2244
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:22,600
There are 15 songs on the disc
and there are 40 more set aside.

2245
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:26,640
- Wow!
- I still do that sometimes.

2246
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:30,039
With this album, I chose the songs
which I love

2247
02:07:30,119 --> 02:07:32,319
and which are in my vocal range,

2248
02:07:32,399 --> 02:07:34,760
so the thing i'm proud of
to this album

2249
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:37,920
and the one I work on at home

2250
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,479
is that all the music is chosen
based on my voice

2251
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:43,439
and it makes my voice count.

2252
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:44,800
It's a lot of fun.

2253
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:49,000
The fact that I can sing
and other great songs

2254
02:07:49,079 --> 02:07:51,560
- ...it's a lot of fun for me.
- Beautiful!

2255
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,359
What a morning!
My head turns!

2256
02:07:54,439 --> 02:07:57,359
- I felt good! More to come!
- I hope so!

2257
02:07:57,439 --> 02:07:59,920
I felt incredible.

2258
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,199
- You're just...
- We hope you had a good time.

2259
02:08:03,279 --> 02:08:05,760
- I felt good, Robin. Hello!
- We had a great time!

2260
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:08,279
- You are a gift to the world, my friend!
- Hey, thanks!

2261
02:08:08,359 --> 02:08:10,560
You are simply incredible.

2262
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:14,680
Just listening to your creative process
and the way you do these songs,

2263
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:19,760
and your progress through therapy, I realize
that it's an amazing life.

2264
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:21,960
- And...
- Yes, it was good. I was blessed!

2265
02:08:22,039 --> 02:08:24,960
God help! Thank you, Howard!
I felt very good.

2266
02:08:25,039 --> 02:08:26,840
- Bruce!
- Thank you for being good to me!

2267
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:28,880
- I want you to know...
- Next time, Howard,

2268
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:33,159
you have to dig deeper
what's it like to be bruce springsteen

2269
02:08:33,239 --> 02:08:38,760
because he treats celebrity differently.

2270
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,600
- Yes, you know...
- He's at the beach club.

2271
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:45,079
i know It's just that I haven't been...

2272
02:08:45,159 --> 02:08:48,199
You drove me crazy yesterday.

2273
02:08:48,279 --> 02:08:51,239
I stopped to see my mother. He is 95 years old.

2274
02:08:51,319 --> 02:08:53,359
- Mine is 97.
- Wow!

2275
02:08:53,439 --> 02:08:55,399
- And you take care of your mother?
- Yes.

2276
02:08:55,479 --> 02:08:58,600
Yes. Wow! It's a challenge, isn't it?

2277
02:08:58,680 --> 02:09:01,439
I'm glad it's still there.

2278
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:04,239
It's still there. He scolded me yesterday.

2279
02:09:04,319 --> 02:09:07,680
- Is your father still alive?
- He died this summer.

2280
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:09,800
- I'm sorry!
- He was 99 years old.

2281
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:12,399
Wow! He had a good life.

2282
02:09:12,479 --> 02:09:14,319
- It was sad.
- Yes.

2283
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,119
I imagine that's what you felt too,

2284
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:22,199
but it was hard for me, because I felt it
that we missed a life together.

2285
02:09:22,279 --> 02:09:24,680
- Yes, yes.
- He just didn't...

2286
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,720
He wasn't too proud of me.

2287
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:27,800
Sin.

2288
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:29,439
I still feel it today

2289
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:33,239
that he was the greatest hero
and my enemy.

2290
02:09:33,319 --> 02:09:34,359
Yes.

2291
02:09:34,439 --> 02:09:37,319
When you said that, I thought
that makes sense.

2292
02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:39,800
- Yes. Yes.
- Your heart breaks.

2293
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:43,239
Yes, that's right. I was lucky that dad,

2294
02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:47,479
through modern medicine and pharmacology,
had...

2295
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:52,880
The last ten years of his life
they were peaceful and he rejoiced…

2296
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:57,880
I remember coming from LA.
They lived in San Francisco.

2297
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:00,880
And he was still sitting at the kitchen table.

2298
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:04,399
At 90, he was still sitting
at the kitchen table, in his little house.

2299
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:10,039
I went to him. I entered.
I sat in front of him.

2300
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:13,399
He has a beer, a cigarette.

2301
02:10:15,039 --> 02:10:19,600
I'm looking in my coat,
I take out my Oscar, put it on the table.

2302
02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:22,680
- Yes? between us
- Very good.

2303
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:23,680
between us

2304
02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:25,439
I don't say anything.

2305
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:29,079
I went and put it on the table.

2306
02:10:29,159 --> 02:10:30,680
And he sits there for a minute.

2307
02:10:31,479 --> 02:10:35,800
Then say:
"I'm not going to tell anyone what to do anymore."

2308
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:42,159
That's nice, but you said, "Finally
maybe I won your love?"

2309
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:47,600
I think so. do you know I said:
"Not bad for a loser."

2310
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:50,880
Look what hoops you had to jump through.

2311
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:53,720
- I had to jump. i know
- To win her love.

2312
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:55,359
- See, I have...
- That's what we do.

2313
02:10:55,439 --> 02:10:57,319
I held you back too long.

2314
02:10:57,399 --> 02:10:59,920
I have a theory. you said
in the Broadway show:

2315
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,279
"I wrote many songs,
I have never been a worker.

2316
02:11:03,359 --> 02:11:04,920
I never worked in a factory,

2317
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:07,880
but I wrote all these songs
and i'm an impostor

2318
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:09,600
- Because I didn't do that."
- Yes.

2319
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:13,680
But I felt that was the test
to bring your father into the world of music.

2320
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:17,640
Your father was a worker
who had crappy jobs.

2321
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:21,439
No, I came at the end of the day.

2322
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:24,039
I dressed in his clothes
and I sang to him.

2323
02:11:24,119 --> 02:11:25,600
- Yes.
- That's what I did.

2324
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:29,119
You've become like him, in a way.
That was the only way you could get close to him.

2325
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:31,880
- That was it.
- I will sing about his life.

2326
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:36,439
That's right. If you don't love me, I'll be you.

2327
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,880
I will become you and you will be close to me.

2328
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:41,399
And feel what I feel

2329
02:11:41,479 --> 02:11:44,680
that I know the pain and sadness of parents
more than mine?

2330
02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:48,039
- Yes, of course.
- I identified too much with them

2331
02:11:48,119 --> 02:11:50,640
and with the horror of their lives. It was horrible.

2332
02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:52,960
And their sad stories.

2333
02:11:53,039 --> 02:11:56,079
I feel their sadness more than…
I never felt the same for myself.

2334
02:11:56,159 --> 02:11:57,760
Just their stuff.

2335
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:02,720
Yes. All I knew was
that I was so affected

2336
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:07,159
of father's pain and things
through which he had gone,

2337
02:12:08,039 --> 02:12:11,239
so when i picked up the guitar

2338
02:12:11,319 --> 02:12:13,359
I started writing about it.

2339
02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:17,159
I said, "I have to make things right.
Why am I here?"

2340
02:12:17,239 --> 02:12:20,520
I am his agent...

2341
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:24,359
I am his agent in this world.

2342
02:12:24,439 --> 02:12:27,800
Whether he's an agent of vengeance
or of love,

2343
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:30,000
I am his agent in this world,

2344
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:34,600
and I will do something with his story.

2345
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:36,560
- Wow!
- Do you know?

2346
02:12:37,279 --> 02:12:41,199
And a lot of my work, if not
at most, it is rooted in this.

2347
02:12:41,279 --> 02:12:43,279
It is the center of it. That's the core of it.

2348
02:12:43,359 --> 02:12:46,600
My mother used to tell me:
"You are my representative."

2349
02:12:47,560 --> 02:12:49,000
- I like it.
- "In front of whom?"

2350
02:12:49,079 --> 02:12:51,600
I live in a cesspool.
"My representative"?

2351
02:12:52,279 --> 02:12:53,760
No one is looking for me.

2352
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:58,119
Yes. God, Bruce! What a morning!

2353
02:12:58,199 --> 02:13:00,560
- Great!
- I don't know about you, but I have to pee.

2354
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:02,359
- You have to too.
- Of course yes.

2355
02:13:02,439 --> 02:13:06,159
- Yes. Do you have an enlarged prostate?
- You drank a lot of water. I noticed.

2356
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,359
Of course yes. I don't drink water anymore.

2357
02:13:08,439 --> 02:13:11,439
I don't drink water anymore either. I urinate too much.

2358
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:14,039
- Do you have an enlarged prostate?
- No. i am fine

2359
02:13:14,119 --> 02:13:16,000
You are lucky!

2360
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:18,760
Bruce Springsteen's new album,
Only the Strong Survive,

2361
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:20,560
it will be available from November 11.

2362
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:23,840
You hear Bruce on E Street Sirius,
E Street Radio, channel 20

2363
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:25,439
which is very good.

2364
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:28,319
I'm doing a great job! I have to admit.

2365
02:13:28,399 --> 02:13:31,479
I don't do much
and they turned it into something.

2366
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:35,760
It's a point of interest
for me and my fans.

2367
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:39,079
You have recorded many live concerts.

2368
02:13:39,159 --> 02:13:41,319
It's great. Yes, you can...

2369
02:13:41,399 --> 02:13:46,239
It's a wonderful verification center
for everything we do.

2370
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:48,760
Thank you for this morning!

2371
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:51,039
I let you go
even though I still have questions.

2372
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,800
- Thank you for your generosity!
- It's my pleasure.

2373
02:13:53,880 --> 02:13:56,600
Thank you for forgiving me
for past sins.

2374
02:13:56,680 --> 02:13:58,479
- No, no!
- No, it's important to say this.

2375
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:02,399
Bruce will be handing out Halloween candy

2376
02:14:02,479 --> 02:14:05,119
in half of New Jersey
after the beach club.

2377
02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:07,960
And he will take people by car
when I go to carol.

2378
02:14:08,039 --> 02:14:11,640
Yeah, a guy called this morning.
He says, "Yeah, Bruce drove me."

2379
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:14,119
I'm like, "Really? Damn!"

2380
02:14:14,199 --> 02:14:17,520
Yesterday I visited my mother

2381
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:19,880
and I came to town to stay with you.

2382
02:14:19,960 --> 02:14:22,920
A lady comes to me and says:
"Are you Howard Stern?"

2383
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:23,920
I say: "No!"

2384
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:29,000
A guy calls me in the morning:
"Bruce drives people."

2385
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:33,239
Thanks a million times!

2386
02:14:33,319 --> 02:14:36,880
- Thank you, Howard. Only love!
- You are incredible! Only love!

2387
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:40,960
Bruce, Howard said he needs it
for 17 days with you.

2388
02:14:41,039 --> 02:14:42,720
Yes. That's what I said. i want

2389
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:44,920
I need 17 days with you.

2390
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:48,720
I know I was the last of the Mohicans,
the mountain found Muhammad

2391
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,000
and I would be happy to go back anytime.

2392
02:14:51,079 --> 02:14:53,840
Thanks Bruce!
Give my love to Patti.

2393
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:56,520
- That's what I'll do.
- Tell him I'm a bastard!

2394
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:58,680
- I have been for many years.
- Okay.

2395
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,520
Everyone, Bruce Springsteen!
Don't forget the album!

2396
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:03,079
- Thanks, Bruce!
- Thanks, Robin!

2397
02:15:03,159 --> 02:15:05,199
If you want to hear what Bruce is listening to

2398
02:15:05,279 --> 02:15:07,840
and what songs does he like
pick up the album and listen

2399
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,279
E-Street Radio on Sirius XM,
channel 20.

2400
02:15:10,359 --> 02:15:11,840
- Thanks, Bruce!
- Thank you!